#1970975 - 06/24/10 06:30 AM
Re: Faith in TWRA??
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tndrbstr
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[quote=BigGameGuy]I sure hope our hunters don't do exactly what we allow them. If they did, we'd kill every deer within the state before the second gun season rolled around! Most don't or can't, but there are some who try. I'm sure the percentage is very low of the folks that try, redblood...not enough for TWRA to worry about [/quote I agree with that ahall but if you go back and read through the fawn threads we had about 10 percent of the respondees saying they killed fawns because they were legal. That is a scary high percentage to me. i don't think anyone said they shot fawns because twra told them to.They were just saying they would shoot one if they want because its a legal deer same as its legal to shoot a 10 pointer.They said that because some people look down on them for doing it even though its legal.
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#1971199 - 06/24/10 09:27 AM
Re: Faith in TWRA??
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Andy S.
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To answer your original question, I ultimately stay well below in most instances, and have done so for many seasons now.
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#1971253 - 06/24/10 10:15 AM
Re: Faith in TWRA??
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With each passing year, I place more trust in the TWRA to make biologically wise management decisions. I say "with each passing year" because the information they gather about the state's deer herds is better and more comprehensive with each additional year of data collected and with each new method of data collection they use. Biologically wise decisions require knowledge of the herd's condition, size and make-up, and with more and better data to work with, better decisions can be made.
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#1971287 - 06/24/10 10:48 AM
Re: Faith in TWRA??
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Tennessee Todd
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I have pretty much come to the conclusion that everybody is stupid.
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#1971293 - 06/24/10 10:50 AM
Re: Faith in TWRA??
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megalomaniac
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I have complete faith in TWRA and thier biologists in their recommendations for statewide limits.
I have very little faith in the general public's understanding that those limits are designed as guidelines only, meant to allow maximum opportunity in those local areas which can sustain maximum limits, but that in other locales with lower game populations or higher hunter densities, restraint must be exercised by hunters NOT to harvest the limits. (My favorite argument by John Q. Public is that 'I'm gonna kill my limit and it must be OK just because TWRA says so'... It MAY or MAY NOT be ok, depending on local game populations, and what other hunters are killing on that same property and surrounding properties)
TWRA sets limits which take into account what they assume will actually be killed. If all hunters killed the limit, we'd completely decimate all game populations in the state. In essence, those of you choosing to shoot less than the limit are subsidizing those who do... sounds a lot like the majority of other government programs in America 
I do have one complaint... I wish turkey limits were set and fluctuate based on the prior years poult recruitment. It would mean that one year the limit may be 1 or 2 gobblers, the following years could be as high as 6 or 8, again, depending on recruitment. Of course, most think hunters aren't smart enough to read the regs each year and realize there is a limit change.
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#1971307 - 06/24/10 11:04 AM
Re: Faith in TWRA??
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Wes Parrish
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I just want to know when we're going to get 4 weeks of archery bear season in West TN like TWRA gives them over in East TN!
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#1971331 - 06/24/10 11:44 AM
Re: Faith in TWRA??
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redblood
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I have complete faith in TWRA and thier biologists in their recommendations for statewide limits. I have very little faith in the general public's understanding that those limits are designed as guidelines only, meant to allow maximum opportunity in those local areas which can sustain maximum limits, but that in other locales with lower game populations or higher hunter densities, restraint must be exercised by hunters NOT to harvest the limits. (My favorite argument by John Q. Public is that 'I'm gonna kill my limit and it must be OK just because TWRA says so'... It MAY or MAY NOT be ok, depending on local game populations, and what other hunters are killing on that same property and surrounding properties) TWRA sets limits which take into account what they assume will actually be killed. If all hunters killed the limit, we'd completely decimate all game populations in the state. In essence, those of you choosing to shoot less than the limit are subsidizing those who do... sounds a lot like the majority of other government programs in America I do have one complaint... I wish turkey limits were set and fluctuate based on the prior years poult recruitment. It would mean that one year the limit may be 1 or 2 gobblers, the following years could be as high as 6 or 8, again, depending on recruitment. Of course, most think hunters aren't smart enough to read the regs each year and realize there is a limit change.
Exactly megalomaniac and therein is where twra falls short, not in their management but rather their correspondence to the less knowledgeable hunters. Twra needs To do a better job conveying to some of the hunters who may not be thinking about these aspects themselves, is that while this many or this type of deer are legal, it may not be a sound manage practice to take these in certain areas. So many hunters have so much faith in what the twra says that this additional direction may be enough to benefit individual deer herds across the state. Like megalo said, I have heard hunters make those same type of statements to the effect of" well If I didn't need to kill button bucks, twra would have made it illegal" or "I will kill every legal deer I see". I believe a page or two in the hunting and trapping guide as well as a statement on the homepage about the importance of taking the deer limits as guidelines/framework not harvest onjectives.
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