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#1960148 - 06/15/10 12:23 PM Re: man's intervention............ [Re: Bottom Hunter]
tndrbstr
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter

I will say that planting foodplots to attract deer to you is basically like chumming for fish, IMO......nothing wrong with it, but alot easier than actually fishing structures and landscape where you expect fish to be.....


BH


That may be a fairly correct analogy,...another similarity between the two is that altho you may get more "fish" in general by chumming them...on average the "better fish" will always come from putting in the time and locating the desired structures...





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#1960419 - 06/15/10 04:35 PM Re: man's intervention............ [Re: BSK]
Chaneylake
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 Originally Posted By: Chaneylake
Give me a couple thousand acres of heavily wooded land in west tn. and five years to 'get it in shape" and you might be surprised what will come off of it....


seems like you need to make up your mind


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#1960432 - 06/15/10 04:46 PM Re: man's intervention............ [Re: Chaneylake]
tndrbstr
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 Originally Posted By: Chaneylake
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Chaneylake
Give me a couple thousand acres of heavily wooded land in west tn. and five years to 'get it in shape" and you might be surprised what will come off of it....


seems like you need to make up your mind


Bazingga!


Bazingga, congratulations you have fallen for one of my latest pranks, lol


reckon I'm just slow......

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#1960988 - 06/15/10 09:16 PM Re: man's intervention............ [Re: tndrbstr]
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reckon I'm just slow......

I had to google it, lmrfao
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#1961125 - 06/16/10 05:16 AM Re: man's intervention............ [Re: BSK]
Bottom Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter

BSK,

I sincerely appreciate your knowledge and your opinions. I have always been someone that believed that nature is it's own best manager. i also believe that deer can be "FED to greatness", but given proper time to age and be left alone , they too can reach reasonable potential on their own.

Again, my point is that I love to hunt dense timber near swamps and "less traveled by man" areas. To me, that is what it's all about. I guess my opinions offend some people because they think that i am putting what they do down and that could not be any further from the truth.

I will say that planting foodplots to attract deer to you is basically like chumming for fish, IMO......nothing wrong with it, but alot easier than actually fishing structures and landscape where you expect fish to be.....

Again, foodplot hunting and everything that surrounds it has it's place and is perfectly legal in every respect, but for me, I'd rather sit down in the Bottoms and plot my next strategy to succeed and not what my next foodplot will contain.....but, hey, that's just me.

No offense intended to anyone.....


You're not offending me at all.

But I wasn't referring to making food plots in that expansive area of hypothetical hardwoods. Now food plots can be a powerful management tool, but in my opinion they are a tad over-rated.

I was thinking in the lines of thinning patches of that timber to allow sunlight to reach the ground and produce whatever natural food sources the area can grow. A few small scattered heavier cuts would also be useful, simply to maximize the natural food sources those bottomland soils could grow.

But doing absolutely nothing to the habitat is perfectly fine with me too. As long as the hunters understand the limitations that would place on management results--a much lower deer density hence fewer total mature bucks--then no habitat changes at all is fine with me.

That's why the first question I always ask a prospective new client is, "What kind of a hunting experience do you want?" What type of hunting experience they want will drive the management plan, whether that's an unaltered "wilderness" experience, or as close to a Midwestern agricultural experience as can be produced (massive habitat alterations).

Either one, or anything in between, is fine with me, as long as the hunters understand the limitations in herd density and performance minimal habitat alterations will produce. It's all a trade-off.


BSK....

What response do you normally get when you ask "what kind of hunting experience do you want to get.....?"

Would you say that the most common answer is somewhat of a microcosm of today's hunting society?

thanks and please go into detail if you want....

BH
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#1961127 - 06/16/10 05:18 AM Re: man's intervention............ [Re: tndrbstr]
Bottom Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter

I will say that planting foodplots to attract deer to you is basically like chumming for fish, IMO......nothing wrong with it, but alot easier than actually fishing structures and landscape where you expect fish to be.....


BH


That may be a fairly correct analogy,...another similarity between the two is that altho you may get more "fish" in general by chumming them...on average the "better fish" will always come from putting in the time and locating the desired structures...







I agree.......
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#1961238 - 06/16/10 07:59 AM Re: man's intervention............ [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BSK
That's why the first question I always ask a prospective new client is, "What kind of a hunting experience do you want?" What type of hunting experience they want will drive the management plan, whether that's an unaltered "wilderness" experience, or as close to a Midwestern agricultural experience as can be produced (massive habitat alterations).


BSK....

What response do you normally get when you ask "what kind of hunting experience do you want to get.....?"

Would you say that the most common answer is somewhat of a microcosm of today's hunting society?


Yes, I hear a wide range of answers, from just "I want a fun place for my family and friends to hunt," to "I want the top-end bucks my area can produce."

However, most interesting is the change I've seen over time. In the early years of private land management, the most common answer was "I want to see better bucks than I do now" which meant simply producing/seeing more averaged-sized 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 year-old bucks. Yet now I hear more frequently, "I want hunting like I see on the TV hunting shows." They are usually rather disappointed when I tell them that isn't possible in TN, at least not without a couple of million dollars burning a hole in their pocket!
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#1961307 - 06/16/10 09:01 AM Re: man's intervention............ [Re: BSK]
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"I want hunting like I see on the TV hunting shows."

Your joking, Right? I have NEVER heard ANYONE talk like that. Especially people that have land and are investing in management plans. The ones I have talked with are very realistic. That is very dissapointing

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#1961349 - 06/16/10 09:33 AM Re: man's intervention............ [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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"I want hunting like I see on the TV hunting shows."

Your joking, Right? I have NEVER heard ANYONE talk like that. Especially people that have land and are investing in management plans. The ones I have talked with are very realistic. That is very dissapointing


It's becoming the most common response I get. More and more hunters are being fooled into believing these hunting shows are reality.

Go to a deer/habitat management seminar these days and see who hunters really want to hear speak; a wildlife scientist presenting real comparitively tested information--true facts--or a "hunting celebrity" who doesn't know squat about deer management. The "hunting celebrity" talk will be packed.
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#1961457 - 06/16/10 11:09 AM Re: man's intervention............ [Re: BSK]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
It's becoming the most common response I get. More and more hunters are being fooled into believing these hunting shows are reality.

Go to a deer/habitat management seminar these days and see who hunters really want to hear speak; a wildlife scientist presenting real comparitively tested information--true facts--or a "hunting celebrity" who doesn't know squat about deer management. The "hunting celebrity" talk will be packed.

Very SADLY true.

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