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#1958685 - 06/13/10 07:20 PM Do you think
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with all this rain we have had and have been having that there will be as many acorns as last year?
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#1958696 - 06/13/10 07:31 PM Re: Do you think [Re: Bone Collector]
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I don't know, but I have seen some fruit trees loaded down. Down
the road from me, there is a peach tree with the limbs sagging.

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#1958701 - 06/13/10 07:39 PM Re: Do you think [Re: RKenney]
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i sure hope so. i've got a spot that always produce when the acorns are there.
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#1958715 - 06/13/10 07:54 PM Re: Do you think [Re: birddog]
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I hope not,Ill have em cornered.
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#1958755 - 06/13/10 08:21 PM Re: Do you think [Re: Football Hunter]
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I hope not either..I mean I do for the deers sake and health,but then I don't because they are so hard to hunt when there is a bumper crop of acrons,just like this past year..My sightings was way down..BUt the sign was still there,and I got tons of trail cam pics,they just wasn't moving much..
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#1958770 - 06/13/10 08:33 PM Re: Do you think [Re: cecil30-30]
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Just find the tree(s) their on and you will see plenty!
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#1958893 - 06/13/10 10:48 PM Re: Do you think [Re: Bone Collector]
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From earlier observations i belive there will be a heavy crop of white oak....not sure about red oak yet...
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#1958896 - 06/13/10 10:53 PM Re: Do you think [Re: Boone 58]
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Rain? ETN is almost 5" short for the year already.
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#1959203 - 06/14/10 09:06 AM Re: Do you think [Re: Koyodiak]
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I'm seeing a pretty big acorn crop developing again.
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#1959209 - 06/14/10 09:10 AM Re: Do you think [Re: BSK]
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Seeing a big acorn crop developing (before they hit the ground) still doesn't mean we'll have many (edible) acorns.

But it is good to know we "might" have a good acorn crop,
as the alternative of having no acorns developing assures us we won't.

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#1959221 - 06/14/10 09:15 AM Re: Do you think [Re: Wes Parrish]
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i think we will and i hope it is just like last year because i do not have many oaks around me and when the few i do have are loaded the deer are not hard to hunt
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#1959223 - 06/14/10 09:16 AM Re: Do you think [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I like years when there are a good acorn crop myself, makes finding them a no brainer.
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#1959239 - 06/14/10 09:24 AM Re: Do you think [Re: Winchester]
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One thing I particularly like about an above average acorn year is that sets the stage for any surviving bucks to have a "head start" in growing above average antlers the next year. Since we had a good acorn crop last year, coupled with consistent rainfall this spring/summer to date, I'm expecting to see larger than average antlers during the 2010 deer season. \:\)


 Originally Posted By: Winchester
I like years when there are a good acorn crop myself, makes finding them a no brainer.
With a good acorn crop, I think the average hunter sees FEWER deer while hunting, then hunts less due to his disappointment of seeing fewer deer, usually resulting in a lower deer harvest.

For this reason, I would expect the deer harvest to decrease in years of good acorn crops and increase in years of poor acorn crops, although experienced deer hunters who really love to hunt (like Winchester) are going to do well regardless.

One thing of concern to me was the buck harvest in my area increased last year despite a very good acorn crop.

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#1959243 - 06/14/10 09:32 AM Re: Do you think [Re: Wes Parrish]
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i hate a bad hay year for my horses but it will mean less fawns killed by the farmers.
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#1959270 - 06/14/10 09:52 AM Re: Do you think [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
One thing I particularly like about an above average acorn year

 Originally Posted By: Winchester
I like years when there are a good acorn crop myself, makes finding them a no brainer.
With a good acorn crop, I think the average hunter sees FEWER deer while hunting, then hunts less due to his disappointment of seeing fewer deer, usually resulting in a lower deer harvest.

For this reason, I would expect the deer harvest to decrease in years of good acorn crops and increase in years of poor acorn crops,


During years with more than abundant mass the deer can quickly adapt and readily avoid areas of moderate to higher hunting pressure and still fill thier all nutritional needs...
during low mass years the average core area for most any deer, and thus the herd as whole, is going to expand and folks are gonna be seeing more of em...imo

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#1959324 - 06/14/10 10:26 AM Re: Do you think [Re: tndrbstr]
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Tndrbstr,

What you stated above is generally the case.
So it's somewhat baffling why the buck harvest went up in my area (in 2009 over 2008), although the doe harvest did go down.

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#1959329 - 06/14/10 10:27 AM Re: Do you think [Re: Bone Collector]
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Can't hurt .
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#1959417 - 06/14/10 11:28 AM Re: Do you think [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Tndrbstr,

What you stated above is generally the case.
So it's somewhat baffling why the buck harvest went up in my area (in 2009 over 2008), although the doe harvest did go down.


my guess would be it had to do with the change in the muzzeloader season...

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#1959428 - 06/14/10 11:38 AM Re: Do you think [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Seeing a big acorn crop developing (before they hit the ground) still doesn't mean we'll have many (edible) acorns.


Yup, all depends on the rainfall towards the end of the summer, especially August and early September.
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#1959434 - 06/14/10 11:48 AM Re: Do you think [Re: Bone Collector]
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 Originally Posted By: Bone Collector
with all this rain we have had and have been having that there will be as many acorns as last year?


Hard to say. I remember a few years ago, we didn't have much rain at all after the first week or two of June. July and August could be dry as a bone, like it was back then. I hope that's not the case, though.
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#1959502 - 06/14/10 12:51 PM Re: Do you think [Re: moondawg]
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A La Nina pattern is expected to kick in during the peak of the summer. This usually means hot and dry for the Southeast. However, a big tropical storm season is also expected which could mean some big rains if hurricanes come up from the Gulf.
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#1959512 - 06/14/10 01:01 PM Re: Do you think [Re: tndrbstr]
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 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
One thing I particularly like about an above average acorn year

 Originally Posted By: Winchester
I like years when there are a good acorn crop myself, makes finding them a no brainer.
With a good acorn crop, I think the average hunter sees FEWER deer while hunting, then hunts less due to his disappointment of seeing fewer deer, usually resulting in a lower deer harvest.

For this reason, I would expect the deer harvest to decrease in years of good acorn crops and increase in years of poor acorn crops,


During years with more than abundant mass the deer can quickly adapt and readily avoid areas of moderate to higher hunting pressure and still fill thier all nutritional needs...
during low mass years the average core area for most any deer, and thus the herd as whole, is going to expand and folks are gonna be seeing more of em...imo

Exactly, most hunters simply dont change their hunting styles to adapt to the changes in deer movement. This is where you hear the famous, 'My area was full of deer last year and I killed XYZ, but this year they are all gone, I dont know what happened to them'?? LOL, when they have simply changed their patterns due to a change in food source. You have to hunt them where they are, not where you want them to be! Abundant food, especially acorns, being spread out over so much area, can really limit the amount of area the deer have to cover to get what they need, nutrition wise, which is where most people miss out by hunting the wrong areas when this happens! We also normally have a good tightly timed and intense rut during good acorn years as well, but after the last few years I dont put much weight on anything that is "supposed" to happen! lol

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#1959585 - 06/14/10 03:01 PM Re: Do you think [Re: Winchester]
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Great post Winchester. Dead on the money.

In a bumper acorn crop year, hunting ag fields in October isn't going to pay many dividends.
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#1959637 - 06/14/10 08:58 PM Re: Do you think [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
You have to hunt them where they are, not where you want them to be!


That is EXACTLY right! I couldnt have said it better myself
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#1959691 - 06/14/10 09:32 PM Re: Do you think [Re: JCDEERMAN]
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Preffered acorn areas is the key. When there are alot of acorns,
deer become choosey. Humans are the same way. If you go thru a
buffet with all kinds of food, you will choose the best.

I know some areas where there are a few older white oaks where
the ground is very fertile. The deer flock to those trees first.
Just because the the woods are full of acorns, doesn't mean the
deer won't be concentrated.

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#1959847 - 06/15/10 06:05 AM Re: Do you think [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
This is where you hear the famous, 'My area was full of deer last year and I killed XYZ, but this year they are all gone, I dont know what happened to them'??


one of the worse habits for some hunters to learn to ever get out of is to quit huntng last years deer...imo
and it seems to be worse when they are hunting a particular deer too....

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