#1957992 - 06/12/10 08:52 PM
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They probably shouldn't let hunters use rifles with scopes....... 
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#1958014 - 06/12/10 09:32 PM
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BSK,
"Acrimonious debate". That's a good one. I love it.
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#1958015 - 06/12/10 09:32 PM
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Taking crop fields out would not only be impossible it would be ludacris; we have to have farmer's and whether the field is planted by a farmer purely for profit or not, it will still have the same effect on game. Even if that crop field is not on your land, deer that bed on your land will travel to that crop field if it is within their range and most hunter's, yourself included, from what your post says, find their travel corridors and set an ambush point.
Now i guess you can argue that there is more skill in finding a natural food source and hunting the deer using them, but there will always be food plots and crop fields, and if the deer are using them, and it makes you happy, hunt them. It is not any harder or easier to kill a deer feeding on the same oak tree for a period of time than it is to kill a deer using a bean field for a period of time IMO. You still have to do your homework and if you screw up enough you won't kill deer at either stand site.
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#1958033 - 06/12/10 09:47 PM
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RKenney
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In Bottom Hunters defense, there is nothing like hunting the deep
woods away from everything. I used to in the "old days". There is
something about the remote hardwoods on a clear and frosty
morning during the rut, that is almost magical.
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#1958183 - 06/13/10 05:52 AM
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Bottom Hunter
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In Bottom Hunters defense, there is nothing like hunting the deep
woods away from everything. I used to in the "old days". There is
something about the remote hardwoods on a clear and frosty
morning during the rut, that is almost magical.
Thank you very much for being the only one that understood the post......
As you stated, there is nothing like hunting deep in the woods where man rarely goes or touches.
To answer a few questions that were posed to me.......First, I do not hunt near clearcuts or cutover on Chaney....90% of the hunting that i do on Chaney is done across Muddy Creek where no one ever goes.....I'm not sure how long ago it was cut but there is no sign of it now and most of the woods are clean and the forest floor is dirt......there are a patch or two of thickets where cane grows and some understory, but for the most part, the woods are clean. I go there because it's basically the only place down there where Chaneylake hasn't put a wheeler trail or done something to access it.....
Secondly.......on another farm, I do hunt in a corner of a bean field, when i go. I really have no choice other than to hunt there or in the cutover timber nearby. I go there when Chaney is flooded. My other choice is to sit at home......not going to do that. the other farm that I hunt on occasion is similar, mainly cropfields....but again, they are my secondary places when Chaney is flooded....
Thirdly....this is not about game management, but more about getting back to nature and hunting in a more natural setting. I know some would see it that way........I did say that man should stay out of it UNLESS they were fixing their own mess. man has caused depletion of game species in certain areas, thusly they must repair their damage. Take man out of the equation and this REPAIR is never needed. IMO, for whitetail deer to have ever needed to be replenished in the Hatchie Bottoms sounds ridiculous, but they were back in the 60's.....
Did any of you actually see the word...PREFER....in my first post? What that means (for those that don't know) is that I would RATHER hunt in the big timber in as natural a setting as possible and that I believe that it is the greatest form of hunting....NOT that it's the only hunting that I do. In this day and time of man intervening anywhere that he can, finding a place to hunt where man has virtually left it alone is somewhat impossible. If you do find one of these places, cherish it and try to leave it alone as much as possible, IMO.
This is the main reason that I love hunting where I do on Chaney.......I'm as far away from anyone that I can get and I never see anyone else back there. THAT is what this is all about. This is about getting back to the natural order of things and hunting in a more simple manner. Enjoying nature and learning more about how to hunt and less about what you need to do to draw deer to you.......I PREFER going into a deer's house and taking him out rather than drawing him out to me. What's wrong with that?
Also.....I'm not sure why this went toward the BIOLOGY aspect of this, but since it did I will say that I knew that the BIOLOGISTS in some of you would feel the way that you do. Man had always had a huge ego, thinking that he controls everything and that nothing could exist without his help.....but the truth of the matter is that nature took care of itself a long time before man started intervening and still would today if it was at all possible to take man and his hand out of things entirely, but we all know that is impossible...
And one last thing. If anyone thought that my original post was in any way an attempt to start a controversy and a debate, then I must be missing something. I thought I was just giving an opinion and passing my thoughts along to you. I think that i did note that it was okay that others don't see it the same way that I do....
BH
Edited by Bottom Hunter (06/13/10 06:15 AM)
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#1958200 - 06/13/10 07:30 AM
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In Bottom Hunters defense, there is nothing like hunting the deep
woods away from everything. I used to in the "old days". There is
something about the remote hardwoods on a clear and frosty
morning during the rut, that is almost magical.
Heck, I can agree with that 110% RKenney.
Come on BH you didn't think this thread had the potential to at the very least ruffle a few feathers and get a response? LOL
I just think it is useless and offensive to make statements that imply if you don't hunt like me you ain't hunting. I for one appreciate the "tractor time" those guys do and feel a little ashamed that I don't do more than buy a license and shoot deer.
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#1958322 - 06/13/10 10:43 AM
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In Bottom Hunters defense, there is nothing like hunting the deep
woods away from everything. I used to in the "old days". There is
something about the remote hardwoods on a clear and frosty
morning during the rut, that is almost magical.
Before I started managing my place, it was all deep hardwoods. There is something to say for that type of experience.
But the hunting is so much more enjoyable and successful post-management...
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#1958368 - 06/13/10 12:14 PM
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In Bottom Hunters defense, there is nothing like hunting the deep
woods away from everything. I used to in the "old days". There is
something about the remote hardwoods on a clear and frosty
morning during the rut, that is almost magical. Before I started managing my place, it was all deep hardwoods. There is something to say for that type of experience. But the hunting is so much more enjoyable and successful post-management...
I understand this way of thinking simply because man feels the need to have his hand in everything and it makes you feel better to think that YOU had a hand in not only your success as a hunter, but also in the success of the deer herd. If that makes you feel better, then feel free.
My point was very simple, even though it got somewhat hijacked......Sitting in an undisturbed stretch of bottomland where you never see, hear or find any sign (footprints, trash)of another human being and watch as nature goes about it's normal routine of surviving, is truly an exciting thing to me and in my opinion, that kind of hunting is what it's all about. At least to me.
BH
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#1958399 - 06/13/10 01:18 PM
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It has always been my belief that man should stay out of the management business (land or animal) unless he is repairing is own mess....nature is the ultimate manager and will do what's best and right , in most cases.
going on memory, deer were released in Haywood County[late 50's or early 60's], turkeys were released behind the Cypress Hut in 1980, "without this management program" where would Haywood County and other counties of Tennessee be today, sure we would probably have deer and turkeys but would our numbers be as high as they are now
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#1958710 - 06/13/10 07:53 PM
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In Bottom Hunters defense, there is nothing like hunting the deep
woods away from everything. I used to in the "old days". There is
something about the remote hardwoods on a clear and frosty
morning during the rut, that is almost magical. Before I started managing my place, it was all deep hardwoods. There is something to say for that type of experience. But the hunting is so much more enjoyable and successful post-management... I understand this way of thinking simply because man feels the need to have his hand in everything and it makes you feel better to think that YOU had a hand in not only your success as a hunter, but also in the success of the deer herd. If that makes you feel better, then feel free. My point was very simple, even though it got somewhat hijacked......Sitting in an undisturbed stretch of bottomland where you never see, hear or find any sign (footprints, trash)of another human being and watch as nature goes about it's normal routine of surviving, is truly an exciting thing to me and in my opinion, that kind of hunting is what it's all about. At least to me. BH
I think the problem I have with you at times is,you try to sound so self righteous,pure,hunting like our forefathers.Thats great,but everyone doesnt live near Chaney,doesnt have acsess to that kind of land,heck I guess you would not hunt Richmanbbq's place at all.
All that being said,I have no problem saying,Im trying as hard as I can to have as many deer as possible,and dont feel bad,in fact FEEL GREAT about it.
Keep in mind,w/o TWRAs "management" many years ago,you wouldnt have all those pure deer to hunt,unless they relocated them.
JMO
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