#1957526 - 06/12/10 06:13 AM
man's intervention............
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Bottom Hunter
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Registered: 12/29/06
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Loc: Hatchie Bottoms
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It has always been my belief that man should stay out of the management business (land or animal) unless he is repairing is own mess....nature is the ultimate manager and will do what's best and right , in most cases.
It is also my belief that the only way to get the full benefit and the full experience from hunting, you need to hunt in as natural a setting as possible. A setting void of foodplots/attractants and maybe even man-made food sources, such as crop fields.
My main focus while planning my season comes with strategy. Sitting over a crop field or salt lick leaves little to the imagination, IMO.
Using aerial pics and visual signs to plot a suspected deer pathway and possible ambush point is what I prefer doing. Be it solely in my mind or not, I believe that this strategy is the true essence of hunter skill and knowledge. Anything less is just cheating yourself of the true hunting experience.....IMO.
How many times have hunters rented a new plot of ground and the first thing that they do after walking it over is plan where to put a foodplot or start putting out salt/minerals?
To me, that's just defeating the purpose of the hunt and literally taking THE HUNT out of it all together.
How about obtaining some aerials of the place, walk it over a few times and try actually putting in the work of scouting and not tractor hours.....
I know that many here won't agree with me, and that's okay.
See you in the treestand.......
BH
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#1957569 - 06/12/10 08:12 AM
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Football Hunter
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Registered: 10/22/07
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Loc: Wilson Co/Perry Co
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I guess you dont hunt near any of the timber cuts on Chaney,seems like I remember you posting pics of your stand near a bean field last year.
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#1957615 - 06/12/10 08:49 AM
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BSK
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Loc: Nashville, TN
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OK, even though I realize this post is intended to produce acrimonious debate, I'll bite...
This is all part of the age-old debate about "how much management is too much management." Management intensity is a sliding scale, with no human intervention at all at one end of the scale and the most intense management possible--including artificial insemination, breeder animals, etc.--at the other.
Every hunter will put the point of "too much management" at a different point along that sliding scale. A few will feel that anything done with the intent to aid deer or alter their behavior or even herd structure is too much management. Others will feel fairly intense manipulation of the habitat and deer population is perfectly acceptable, including high-fences, large-scale habitat alterations, supplemental feeding, removal of management bucks, etc. However, most hunters will fall somewhere in between those two extremes.
How much management is too much management is a personal opinion, and sometimes hard to define, but generally "you know it when you see it."
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#1957623 - 06/12/10 09:26 AM
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TN RDG RNR
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Registered: 06/28/07
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Loc: Rhea County
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I must view hunting from an entirely different angle than you BH. Im deer hunting, for my enjoyment. I hunt the way I like to hunt. I don't expect or require others to conform to my beliefs to be classified as hunters.
I hunt big woods and public land almost always, so food plots or even crop fields are not the way I hunt in general but I have a lot of respect for folks that spend their time, money and effort trying to improve the resource.
Said it many times, what someone does on their property (within the limits of the law) is their business, if it makes them happy, I am happy for them.
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#1957696 - 06/12/10 11:11 AM
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Double-D-Team
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Registered: 12/18/02
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Loc: God's Country
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I think I'll pass on this one....
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#1957937 - 06/12/10 07:05 PM
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Diehard Hunter
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Registered: 08/01/08
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Loc: East Tennessee
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BH,
You are right, nature is the ultimate manager. It is a manager that controls populations with tools like disease and starvation. Often times, management agencies (Fish and Wildlife) are not simply focusing on habitat carrying capacity, they must also focus on cultural carrying capacity. by managing populations, we can decrease disease and starvation while increasing recreational opportunities and decreasing conflicts.
But, you are perfectly entitled to your opinions and beliefs, just practice what you preach and quit mowing your yard. After all you are managing the plant community when you reset succession every time you mow, and fescue is not the natural climax community anywhere in Tennessee.
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#1957954 - 06/12/10 07:28 PM
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gator-n-buck
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Registered: 10/22/08
Posts: 14908
Loc: Knox, TN / Palatka, FL
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They probably shouldn't let hunters use rifles with scopes....... 
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