#1956131 - 06/10/10 06:33 PM
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plumbdaddy
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Went out to the 100 acres that I lease to check on my summer food plot. Boy was I disappointed, the timber company was scheduled to do some thinning after turkey season and they did. The bad news is they decided my food plot site looked like a great place for their log deck, boy am I mad
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#1956153 - 06/10/10 07:06 PM
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Don't blame you. You should have time to get it back in shape if they are already done logging. It won't make up for the lost work but the new undergrowth should help the deer.
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#1956515 - 06/11/10 07:09 AM
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Sorry to hear that....
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#1956657 - 06/11/10 09:14 AM
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x2 i'd be mad to
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#1956661 - 06/11/10 09:15 AM
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#1956681 - 06/11/10 09:41 AM
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Sounds like time to flatten some tires!
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#1956722 - 06/11/10 10:07 AM
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Yea they dont care. They said wow this will save us some work.
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#1956748 - 06/11/10 10:21 AM
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bunch of idiots
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#1956998 - 06/11/10 01:44 PM
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muddyboots
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Funny logger story. Several years ago they were cutting some of our lease and we wnt and met with them. We had one tree that we had killed numerous deer out of so we asked if they could leave it and the ladder stand that was attached too it. They said sure and marked the tree. They left it alright but a bulldozer had backed over it and made a u out of our deer stand and killed the tree. LOL
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#1957577 - 06/12/10 08:16 AM
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well,the good news is they are creating food and cover,but that does suck
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#1957848 - 06/12/10 04:02 PM
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plumbdaddy
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I appreciate all the comments. The green browse is starting to come up in the woods where they did there cutting and I turned the ground and did my first prep on the food plot this morning. Saw 5 deer and 2 hens with this years hatch, so life is coming back. All is good in "The 100 Acre Woods"
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#1957965 - 06/12/10 07:53 PM
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Yep, remember it is business first and the nice food plot areas allways make the perfect place for a log langing and they allways use it.....Deal with it and go on and just know it is part of the process and no use in making waves about it and getting them ticked at you. I just clean it up when they leave if they dont scrape off all of the top soil in the process or go and find a better location.
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#1958275 - 06/13/10 09:19 AM
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They at least cleaned most of the debris off the site and push it to the back of the site, I think it may funnel the deer a little easier from that end to the shooting lane
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#1958281 - 06/13/10 09:28 AM
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How can people be mad at the loggers over this? Post things like flatten their tires, calling them idiots and what not, I mean really ? When you lease land it isnt like you own it, too many leasers get that idea. Having a yard already cleared and accessible saves the loggers time and work, which in return increases profit for the logger and return on investment for the landowner(who has paid many thousands of dollars for the land). Most any clearing you find in the woods started as log yard anyway. It just amazes me to see some of the posts like this, I cant blame landowners for not wanting to lease to hunters.
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#1958442 - 06/13/10 02:12 PM
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Funny logger story. Several years ago they were cutting some of our lease and we wnt and met with them. We had one tree that we had killed numerous deer out of so we asked if they could leave it and the ladder stand that was attached too it. They said sure and marked the tree. They left it alright but a bulldozer had backed over it and made a u out of our deer stand and killed the tree. LOL
If you have a tree you want left and in good shape you'd better mark the ones around it not to be cut as well....otherwise it will turn into a bumper as they skid logs by it.
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#1958492 - 06/13/10 03:13 PM
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How can people be mad at the loggers over this? Post things like flatten their tires, calling them idiots and what not, I mean really ? When you lease land it isnt like you own it, too many leasers get that idea. Having a yard already cleared and accessible saves the loggers time and work, which in return increases profit for the logger and return on investment for the landowner(who has paid many thousands of dollars for the land). Most any clearing you find in the woods started as log yard anyway. It just amazes me to see some of the posts like this, I cant blame landowners for not wanting to lease to hunters.
It just amazes me you see nothing wrong with messing up a plot someone worked on so hard.The loggers have plenty of equipment that they could clear another loading dock easily.They can make a loading dock faster than the average hunter can go back and fix his messed up plot.
But like most things in life these guys were rude and lazy and decided to take the easy way and let others worry about cleaning up thier mess.We had loggers on our land several years ago.They left trash everywhere.They cut tress across the only roads we could drive down and rather than clear the tree tops they left them to block the roads so we couldn't get in to hunt.They logged all during gun season and didn't care they blocked us out of spots.
guess I'm different than most people.If I saw a nice food plot I would go out of my way to keep from messing it up even it caused me a little more work.
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#1958514 - 06/13/10 03:46 PM
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How can people be mad at the loggers over this? Post things like flatten their tires, calling them idiots and what not, I mean really ? When you lease land it isnt like you own it, too many leasers get that idea. Having a yard already cleared and accessible saves the loggers time and work, which in return increases profit for the logger and return on investment for the landowner(who has paid many thousands of dollars for the land). Most any clearing you find in the woods started as log yard anyway. It just amazes me to see some of the posts like this, I cant blame landowners for not wanting to lease to hunters.
I agree completely. Logging is a business, and most all businesses stay successful by saving the most money they can. Many don't realize the cost of just the fuel alone. Then you have man hours, and your also working on a tight schedule. I hate to say it, but I would have done the same thing. Your hobby vs. my cost of operation for a business that is just now beginning to pick by up. Business will win every time. Trash, tree tops and trees blocking roads are a different story, but using a food plot for a loading deck would not bother me at all.
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#1958558 - 06/13/10 05:16 PM
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Well I'm glad that rukiddin and smstone22 are on the side of the loggers. Yes it is a business but I spent a lot of time and money (which by the way I'm not a rich man) and they had no regard for me or my efforts. The land owner (a big timber company) sure did cash my check quickly. I am rebuilding the food plot and it will most likely happen again, but that is a choice I am making. So until it is your money or time don't ridicule me for being angry!!!!!!
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#1958579 - 06/13/10 05:35 PM
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Well I'm glad that rukiddin and smstone22 are on the side of the loggers. Yes it is a business but I spent a lot of time and money (which by the way I'm not a rich man) and they had no regard for me or my efforts. The land owner (a big timber company) sure did cash my check quickly. I am rebuilding the food plot and it will most likely happen again, but that is a choice I am making. So until it is your money or time don't ridicule me for being angry!!!!!!
Just curious, but did you discuss these thingt with the landowner pursuant to your lease agreement? If the land was cleared already when you put in the food plot, what was it designated for?
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#1958613 - 06/13/10 06:06 PM
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the lease manager (timber company employee) is the one that suggested that this site would be great for a food plot and stand location.
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#1958653 - 06/13/10 06:50 PM
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Well I'm glad that rukiddin and smstone22 are on the side of the loggers. Yes it is a business but I spent a lot of time and money (which by the way I'm not a rich man) and they had no regard for me or my efforts. The land owner (a big timber company) sure did cash my check quickly. I am rebuilding the food plot and it will most likely happen again, but that is a choice I am making. So until it is your money or time don't ridicule me for being angry!!!!!!
I don't think I was ridiculing you. Although you spent your money and time on the plot, they still have a business to run. Thats what timber companies do. Leases are just a benefit to owning the land. Maybe you were unaware that they use openings such as food plots for operations? I'm not sure, but either way that is an "assumed" risk when leasing land from anyone. Most timber companies really could care less who leases there land, and if you go too public with bad opinions about them, you may lose the entire lease altogether.
I probably have never lost the amount of money you have, but we have had loggers damage food plots/stands that I had invested some money and labor into creating. I found out real quick that the area created from the harvested timber will be 10x greater for deer hunting and overall wildlife habitat than a food plot will ever be. About a two year old cutover is unbelievable in the rut on a cold morning and the browse created is phenominal. Glass half full type of guy I reckon. I would hunt a logged area over a food plot everytime if given the option. Sorry your pissed.
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#1958663 - 06/13/10 07:04 PM
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the lease manager (timber company employee) is the one that suggested that this site would be great for a food plot and stand location.
then remind him of that and maybe he will refund you your expences, or knock that much of off next years least price
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#1958767 - 06/13/10 08:32 PM
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Most any clearing you find in the woods started as log yard anyway.
That is usually the case, particularly if you're leasing hunting land from a timber company.
I've been "upset" several times when loggers messed up one of my food plots. But at the end of the day, I can't be angry with them. The food plots they've used for log yards were old log yards that I had made into food plots.
The way it usually happens, the best place (sometimes the only place for a good distance) for a log yard just happens to be a great place for a food plot (if cleared). The loggers clear a flat area, making a log yard. Then someone like me comes along a plants a food plot in THEIR log yard. At some point in the future, the loggers will be back, and will likely need to use that same spot as a log yard. Not always like this, but very common.
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#1958790 - 06/13/10 08:46 PM
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deer hunting, deer hunters, and food plots to anyone who owns/grows timber as an investment will basically always put all others on the "back burner" they just do not really care when it comes to anything outside the timber that they are focused on.
there are no telling how many stands that have been destroyed at Chaney the past 30-40 years as we logged the property. not a single stand if it was in the way of a skidder was ever given a single thought and they will never be considered in the future. its just the way that loggers roll
at the same time as others have posted a person will usually have a real nice spot for a food plot after the loggers are finished. also the skidder trails end up being great areas to hunt
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#1958792 - 06/13/10 08:47 PM
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the lease manager (timber company employee) is the one that suggested that this site would be great for a food plot and stand location. then remind him of that and maybe he will refund you your expences, or knock that much of off next years least price
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#1959929 - 06/15/10 08:37 AM
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IT's called respect and 99% of loggers are very respectful. We had one crew on us in Wayne County that were not. The other crew was awesome.
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#1959954 - 06/15/10 09:05 AM
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Wes Parrish
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IT's called respect and 99% of loggers are very respectful.
Most of my experiences with loggers have been fine, too.
They've left a lot of trees standing because of a ladder stand on it, they've removed some ladder stands before cutting the tree (and left the stand laying there undamaged), and created far more new places for food plots than they've messed up.
Most loggers are just like any other working fellow, just trying to do a decent job and make a living.
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