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#1948311 - 06/03/10 03:55 PM What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer?
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What are your thoughts on petitioning TWRA to open a deer season for "dog hunting" deer like alot of other southern states do?
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#1948328 - 06/03/10 04:05 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: The_Utility_Dude]
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Bad idea.

But if you want to open that can of worms,
the end result might be in getting dog hunting for bears outlawed.

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#1948331 - 06/03/10 04:06 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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#1948333 - 06/03/10 04:08 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I have no ethical problems at all with deer hunting with dogs. But I have a SERIOUS problem with the way it is practiced. Dogs don't know property lines, and if dogs chase deer across my property, no matter how expensive those dogs are, they're going to "disappear..."

I have enough problems with my neighbors' muts chasing deer now...
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#1948342 - 06/03/10 04:18 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
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Most exciting thing you will ever do. But dogs can't read posted signs. Ergo bad idea today.
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#1948343 - 06/03/10 04:18 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
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Don't think much of it - not a fan -

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#1948344 - 06/03/10 04:18 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
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Ditto that BSK!
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#1948354 - 06/03/10 04:33 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I have no ethical problems at all with deer hunting with dogs.

Same here, in the existing places where it's already an established and legal tradition.

The big issue for much of Tennessee would be the average size of properties ---- in most cases there would simply be no way to limit the dogs to running deer within the boundaries of a property. This is already a big problem with coon hunting, and coons tend to run a fraction the distance of a deer.

With the overwhelming majority of TN's deer hunters being opposed to dog-hunting deer, and most non-hunters being opposed to chasing ANY animals with hunting dogs ---- end result could be real nasty, not just for bear hunting with dogs, but maybe even rabbit hunting with beagles.

We're in a very different world today than a couple generations ago, particularly regarding how hunting is viewed by the general non-hunting public and how easily they can simply stop it at the voting booth.

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#1948382 - 06/03/10 04:53 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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#1948435 - 06/03/10 05:42 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Bertman]
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I would love to hunt deer with dogs but don't think there are many places big enough to do it on.


What if some wma's added a dog hunt?That way the dog hunters could have a hunt to themselves on a big piece of land.

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#1948443 - 06/03/10 05:50 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: RAFI]
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vast unbroken and inpenetrable terrain is the only reason I can see to hunt deer with dogs...and I just don't think TN has anything thats so nasty we can't go in after em ourselves....jmo...
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#1948482 - 06/03/10 06:21 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: tndrbstr]
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 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
vast unbroken and inpenetrable terrain is the only reason I can see to hunt deer with dogs...and I just don't think TN has anything thats so nasty we can't go in after em ourselves....jmo...

Interesting that you should say that, as from what I understand, most of the places that still allow dog hunting for deer are in places where it would be very difficult to effectively hunt deer by the more traditional ways. HUGE swamps are what come to mind in Florida Everglades and parts of South Carolina.

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#1948490 - 06/03/10 06:35 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: The_Utility_Dude]
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#1948492 - 06/03/10 06:42 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BIGORANGE]
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Fed up with dogs already.
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#1948497 - 06/03/10 06:57 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Most exciting thing you will ever do. But dogs can't read posted signs. Ergo bad idea today.


Right on. I have hunted with dogs several times in Eastern NC. Time honored tradition but it is slowly fading away. Logistically speaking, it would be a nightmare to start a dog season. Although it sounds like you just "drop the tailgate", there is an art to doing it successfully and seeing as how this state has no "legal" doggers, those who decide to get dogs, would probably ruin it, seeing as how they would know nothing about it. Deer don't run like rabbits, coons, bears. Some circle, some stay just in front of the dogs, and some will haul a$$ for miles straight away. I have been all over this state and the only place that seems like it could be feasible would be extreme west TN.
I would want no less than 1000 continous acres before I even considered turning a deer hound loose. I hunted with a club near the coast that had 9000 continous acres and they still had problems with dogs getting off the property at times.
The places where dogging is most traditional are places that are so thick and wet that it would be humanly impossible to still hunt. I've been in places so thick that you had to belly crawl in and out...no fun! Hardly no trees, just shrub type bushes and pines. Absolutely loaded with deer though.
Every year, there seems to be new laws brought up pertaining to one county or another banning dog running for deer in NC. Pretty much, anywhere east of Raliegh can run dogs, west of there is illegal
I love it and have killed several deer in front of dogs, but I honestly think it would be a tremendously bad idea to dog deer in a state that has not previously allowed it.


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#1948539 - 06/03/10 08:15 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: rukiddin?]
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I grew up hunting deer and coon hunting with dogs down in FL. Great social and Southern sport. I'm not for pushing regs that would allow running deer with dogs but I do shake my head a little when I hear some of the reasons why it couldn't be done in TN. I always wonder how some people can give an opinion on something that they never tried....

My dad and my son going coon hunting this summer down in FL. Looks like fun to me.... \:\)

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#1948556 - 06/03/10 08:35 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
Great social and Southern sport.

I don't doubt that for a second.
Not only that, but I'm sure would enjoy it myself, and will probably do it within the next few years. I've hunted about everything else there is to hunt with dogs, and enjoyed it all.

But that doesn't change the fact it would be a bad idea to start doing it in Tennessee.

Should also add that while I plan to enjoy going on a dog hunt for deer some day where it is a legal tradition, I have no desire to go hunt deer over a bait pile where that's a legal tradition. Just different strokes for different folks.

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#1948565 - 06/03/10 08:42 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Coon hunting with dogs is quite a different matter than deer. Coon hunting is one my favorite things to do. Dogging deer is still very popular and practiced alot in my county and it causes so many problems that I cant even imagine what it would be like if it were actually legal. So definite no.
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#1948613 - 06/03/10 09:05 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: smstone22]
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Great southern tradition and part of our heritage. Last time I checked, Tennessee was below the mason-dixon line.
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#1948616 - 06/03/10 09:07 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: warrent423]
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I would love to try it........just not in Tennessee.
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#1948627 - 06/03/10 09:15 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
Coon hunting with dogs is quite a different matter than deer. Coon hunting is one my favorite things to do. Dogging deer is still very popular and practiced alot in my county and it causes so many problems that I cant even imagine what it would be like if it were actually legal. So definite no.


I haven't seen many ole coon dogs that wouldn't jump a deer ever once in a while.... Good thing they have tracking collars now a days..

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#1948716 - 06/03/10 09:53 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I haven't seen many ole coon dogs that wouldn't jump a deer ever once in a while.... Good thing they have tracking collars now a days..

Nor beagles hunting rabbits.
I gave up on rabbit hunting in large part because my dogs kept running deer, and they would run them out of hearing and be gone for a day or two. More time was spent trying to find the dogs than hunt rabbits.

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#1948720 - 06/03/10 09:56 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Think it is a great part of the heritage of deer hunting, and a heck of a lot of fun when done on the right piece of ground. IMO it is more about being out with friends then it is about hunting.

It is slowly dying in the South however, as it gets painted in a bad light.

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#1948842 - 06/04/10 06:09 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I have no ethical problems at all with deer hunting with dogs. But I have a SERIOUS problem with the way it is practiced. Dogs don't know property lines, and if dogs chase deer across my property, no matter how expensive those dogs are, they're going to "disappear..."

I have enough problems with my neighbors' muts chasing deer now...


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#1948890 - 06/04/10 06:52 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I have no ethical problems at all with deer hunting with dogs. But I have a SERIOUS problem with the way it is practiced. Dogs don't know property lines, and if dogs chase deer across my property, no matter how expensive those dogs are, they're going to "disappear..."

I have enough problems with my neighbors' muts chasing deer now...


Ditto , personally I don't like the ideal .
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#1948922 - 06/04/10 07:41 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Snake]
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One time I didn't like the idea of playing golf while in college and only thought wimps played golf... Shortly after I was introduced to golf and spent many yrs chasing that little white ball and even got pretty good at it..... My point is that's its hard to knock something until you try it... I learned that lession a few times... Sorry to get off subject.

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#1948992 - 06/04/10 08:46 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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I grew up on deer drives in S.C. Hearing a black and tan jump a deer in the cypress swamps and then turn your way about made me pee in my pants with excitement. Those were some good times. But like most said you need big tracks of land or adjoining clubs that would not get bent out of shape with the dogs running on their property. Would love to hunt with dogs again just don't think it would work here.
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#1949000 - 06/04/10 08:54 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: WRbowhunter]
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Done it as well and growing up hunting rabbits with dogs, I loved it. Luckily we had a large parcel of land to do it on.
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#1949005 - 06/04/10 09:01 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
My point is that's its hard to knock something until you try it...

I would generally agree with that.

Back when I was growing up, I used to take my bird dogs and walk miles in one direction, crossing farm after farm. Sometime around late morning or mid-day, I would start circling back towards the farmhouse. Back then, there were no posted signs, and you could pretty much bird hunt where you pleased, provided you knew the landowners, which we did. We were neighbors.

I can go back to the farm, but I cannot take off bird hunting like I once did. Not because I couldn't still make the walk and keep up with the dogs, but because the land ownership has been greatly fragmented, and most of it is posted. And worse, I have no idea who owns most of it anymore.

I wish more could experience a day of bird hunting behind dogs like that. But that opportunity is just no longer so readily available. Things change.

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#1949096 - 06/04/10 09:53 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Dogging deer is definitely a fun and unique experience, and everybody should have the pleasure of trying it atleast once. That being said, I agree that many areas in TN simply arent large enough to do it without having trouble from multiple landowners.
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#1949112 - 06/04/10 10:07 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Winchester]
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There is also another issue I've not seen previously mentioned regarding running deer with dogs.

Significant physical stress on the deer.
Some of you may be laughing, but it really can be "significant",
particularly in years of poor mast or poor food supply.

Most of us have taken a greater interest in such issues as overall "herd health", and I know of few things that can stress the physical health of deer more than being run by dogs (or coyotes). And deer that are used to being harassed/run by dogs and coyotes are generally more "alert" and hunter wary than deer than exist in the total absence of these 4-legged predators.

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#1949113 - 06/04/10 10:08 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I have no ethical problems at all with deer hunting with dogs. But I have a SERIOUS problem with the way it is practiced. Dogs don't know property lines, and if dogs chase deer across my property, no matter how expensive those dogs are, they're going to "disappear..."

I have enough problems with my neighbors' muts chasing deer now...
i have to agree with BSK but im just not a fan of hunting deer with dogs.too each his own as long as its legal
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#1949117 - 06/04/10 10:10 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Buck Nekkid]
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#1949134 - 06/04/10 10:31 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: JohnnyBond]
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With all the dogs that chase deer around where I hunt at you'd think it was already legal. I don't like the idea one bit mainly because dogs can't be controlled well enough to know where and when to stop.
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#1949140 - 06/04/10 10:37 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: The_Utility_Dude]
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#1949141 - 06/04/10 10:37 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: DUCK37101]
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".....I don't like the idea one bit mainly because dogs can't be controlled well enough to know where and when to stop. "



Heck I know a lot of people that have that same problem.
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#1949199 - 06/04/10 12:29 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: MUP]
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Don't think it is a good idea!!
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#1949359 - 06/04/10 04:09 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: RAFI]
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I don't prefer for animals to do the "hunting" for me. Kinda defeats the purpose of hunting doesn't it??
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#1949381 - 06/04/10 04:25 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: bobthebowhunter]
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its just a different kind of hunting. Sort of like the difference between bowhunting in the woods trying to find a crossing or bottle neck vs gun hunting sitting on the edge of a corn field waiting for the deer to come feed. Nothing wrong with either but just a different way to hunt.
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#1949588 - 06/04/10 08:48 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: WRbowhunter]
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killed my first deer in front of dogs. It is a fun way to hunt deer. Mississippi has a civil war going on every year between dog hunters and still hunters. I am glad that Tn does not allow dogs. Hard to hit them with my bow when they are running that fast......
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#1949722 - 06/04/10 10:25 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: RAFI]
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I grew up deer hunting with dogs in North Florida. Like everyone else said you have to have large piece of property to make it work. It also helps to have other clubs around you that dog hunt since everyone tends to help one another out. Only bad thing is that most dog hunters shoot pretty much any deer with horns so if your trying to kill a trophy good luck. Eventhough dog hunting is fun you'll wipe the mature bucks in the first year and then is all down hill from there.
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#1949746 - 06/04/10 10:33 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: bobthebowhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: bobthebowhunter
I don't prefer for animals to do the "hunting" for me. Kinda defeats the purpose of hunting doesn't it??


Not if you raised the dogs and trained them how to hunt... Must guys that hunt with dogs love to here them run and half the time they don't ever care if they kill a deer. This is a social sport where hunters used there dogs, cbs, and vehicles to cut off the deer/dogs. All this talk about it, is kind of making me miss it a little...

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#1949907 - 06/04/10 11:46 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Bad idea.

But if you want to open that can of worms,......


Same here,but have no promblem with it however.
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#1949995 - 06/05/10 07:01 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Tiny]
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I, for one, would be opposed simply because of what has already been mentioned. there are not enough large tracts of land around here to run dogs on .....maybe if you just had jump dogs that wouldn't run the deer very far, then you may could do it.

It would be a bad scene for me to be sitting in a deer stand and have dogs and hunters come walking under me on my private land.....

Too much controversy to allow it unless you put some restrictions that would only allow it on certain sized tracts or maybe only during certain times during the season and even then, how can you tell a land owner that they have to allow dogs to run across their property without permission....

not a good idea...IMO.

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#1950031 - 06/05/10 07:54 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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I guess I look at things a little different...Meaning if that's the way you want to hunt then who am I to say you can't. If we as hunters continue to down other hunters there right to hunt there way, I feel we are shooting ourselves in the foot. We are our own worst enemy...As long as it is legal you have the right to hunt the way you want...
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#1950074 - 06/05/10 09:28 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Double-D-Team]
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 Originally Posted By: Double-D-Team
I guess I look at things a little different...Meaning if that's the way you want to hunt then who am I to say you can't. If we as hunters continue to down other hunters there right to hunt there way, I feel we are shooting ourselves in the foot. We are our own worst enemy...As long as it is legal you have the right to hunt the way you want...


That's all fine and dandy IF you can keep your dogs on your land. But as soon as they cross property lines--and they will--now you've infringed on your neighbor's right to hunt the way they want.
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#1950106 - 06/05/10 10:12 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Double-D-Team]
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 Originally Posted By: Double-D-Team
I guess I look at things a little different...Meaning if that's the way you want to hunt then who am I to say you can't. If we as hunters continue to down other hunters there right to hunt there way, I feel we are shooting ourselves in the foot. We are our own worst enemy...As long as it is legal you have the right to hunt the way you want...


Ditto... Since I have personally done both... I can see both sides of the coin... ;\)


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#1950107 - 06/05/10 10:15 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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Seems to be a time and a place for just about everything.
But I think that time and place in Tennessee has passed concerning dog-hunting for deer.

My forefathers enjoyed hunting bison on the Tennessee Ridge.
They didn't use dogs, but did use horses and fire. Believe I would really enjoy participating in one of those grand old bison hunts. But times have changed, and it wouldn't be wise to bring back free-roaming bison into Middle TN, no matter how cool it might be to participate in one of those hunts.

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#1950216 - 06/05/10 03:21 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
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I guess I look at things a little different...Meaning if that's the way you want to hunt then who am I to say you can't. If we as hunters continue to down other hunters there right to hunt there way, I feel we are shooting ourselves in the foot. We are our own worst enemy...As long as it is legal you have the right to hunt the way you want...


That's all fine and dandy IF you can keep your dogs on your land. But as soon as they cross property lines--and they will--now you've infringed on your neighbor's right to hunt the way they want.


Come on BSK... It's kind of like keeping yotes off your property. They probably cause more problems to a deer herd than a dog would... LOL

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#1950238 - 06/05/10 04:00 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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Come on BSK... It's kind of like keeping yotes off your property. They probably cause more problems to a deer herd than a dog would... LOL


true,...but the law is very clear about what actions you can take against the yotes....folks might not like you doin the same thing to their dogs....

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#1950356 - 06/05/10 08:14 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: RAFI]
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I think its a way of hunting for those who have no patience and no skills and not smart enough and to lazy to out smart deer, those people need to stick to rabbit hunting.
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#1950362 - 06/05/10 08:24 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: bowriter]
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Most exciting thing you will ever do. But dogs can't read posted signs. Ergo bad idea today.
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#1950363 - 06/05/10 08:25 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Big Boy Killer]
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I think its a way of hunting for those who have no patience and no skills and not smart enough and to lazy to out smart deer, those people need to stick to rabbit hunting.
Thats a ridiculous statement from someone who has never done it Im sure,I have,its fun,exciting,and no gimme,nice post button
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#1950487 - 06/05/10 11:58 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: RAFI]
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Have never cared for it cause the ones who do it here have always shot everything and anything that ran out in front of them.
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#1950563 - 06/06/10 06:06 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
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I guess I look at things a little different...Meaning if that's the way you want to hunt then who am I to say you can't. If we as hunters continue to down other hunters there right to hunt there way, I feel we are shooting ourselves in the foot. We are our own worst enemy...As long as it is legal you have the right to hunt the way you want...


That's all fine and dandy IF you can keep your dogs on your land. But as soon as they cross property lines--and they will--now you've infringed on your neighbor's right to hunt the way they want.


BSK, you have a valid point but I know hunters that can't read posted signs either or know where property lines are...there is no right answer here...my point is only that we don't need to take away from a hunters right. I have more problems with house dogs than I do with hunting dogs...
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#1950569 - 06/06/10 06:32 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Double-D-Team]
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I guess I look at things a little different...Meaning if that's the way you want to hunt then who am I to say you can't. If we as hunters continue to down other hunters there right to hunt there way, I feel we are shooting ourselves in the foot. We are our own worst enemy...As long as it is legal you have the right to hunt the way you want...


That's all fine and dandy IF you can keep your dogs on your land. But as soon as they cross property lines--and they will--now you've infringed on your neighbor's right to hunt the way they want.


BSK, you have a valid point but I know hunters that can't read posted signs either or know where property lines are...


The fact some people intentionally trespass has nothing to do with dog hunting.


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there is no right answer here...my point is only that we don't need to take away from a hunters right. I have more problems with house dogs than I do with hunting dogs...


I agree hunters need to stick together and protect our traditions. However, there is no modern tradition of dog hunting for deer in TN. And the fastest way to turn hunter against hunter is by introducing dog hunting for deer. The legal battles currently raging in the states where there is a long tradition of dog hunting, and where it is currently legal, are truly ugly. And I do mean UGLY.

In the Deep South, where there is a long history of dog hunting for deer on extremely large plantations, and thick, deep swamps virtually require dogs to move the deer, I have no problem at all with dogging. But in our small land-ownership land patterns, it would be a HUGE legal nightmare that would splinter hunters.
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#1950588 - 06/06/10 06:58 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
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Some years ago I had an opportunity to go on a dog hunt for deer in NC. The dogs ran several deer but only about 3 of the 15 standers got to see them and not a shot was fired the first week. The property, a very large tobacco plantation, was thick and the deer knew how to avoid being seen. I hunted with these folks for 2 weeks and there were only 3 deer killed and I only saw 1 and did not get a shot. Every one used shotguns and buckshot because using a high power rifle would have been too dangerous.

One of the biggest problems was that the dogs did not recognize property lines and sever of the adjoining property owners did not allow hunting and the game warden was called several times. It was not as enjoyable as I would have wanted.
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#1950590 - 06/06/10 06:59 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
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It would be good if they had special dog hunts on some of the state's land that's big enough, like Cherokee natioal forest, and catoosa. They already use dogs to hunt on these places, but just not for deer.
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#1950606 - 06/06/10 07:27 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: The_Utility_Dude]
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BSK, Again your points are valid... You are right on tracks of large land and using dogs...I guess I was just remembering my childhood dog hunts of many years ago and your right it was a large track of land and we never bothered the neighbors..I guess times have changed and there are smaller area's to hunt...sad.. Hunting was a way of life back then. We use to get all the neighbors together 6 farms and hunt for meat and fill everyone's tags. Times have changed and I see what your point is...
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#1950633 - 06/06/10 08:40 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Double-D-Team]
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BSK, Again your points are valid... You are right on tracks of large land and using dogs...I guess I was just remembering my childhood dog hunts of many years ago and your right it was a large track of land and we never bothered the neighbors..I guess times have changed and there are smaller area's to hunt...sad.. Hunting was a way of life back then. We use to get all the neighbors together 6 farms and hunt for meat and fill everyone's tags. Times have changed and I see what your point is...
Times haven't changed one bit, it's the neighbors that have changed. Lot less "deer hunters" and a lot more "deer managers". Lot's of "traditions" these days being trampled because of the negative views of a "few". Plenty of large tracts in this state left to run deer on and plenty of boys left to run 'em, legal or not. It's ashame us dog hunters have to become outlaws, but in some states it's the only way to keep traditions alive. And by the way, BSK and the rest of the "collared" dog killers, your actions could possibly cause you to be the one to be sss. Not meant to be a threat to anyone, just a reminder.


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#1950642 - 06/06/10 09:00 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: warrent423]
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[And by the way, BSK and the rest of the "collared" dog killers, your actions could possibly cause you to be the one to be sss.


Keep your dogs on your property--as the law requires--and everyone will get along fine.
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#1950644 - 06/06/10 09:03 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BSK]
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[And by the way, BSK and the rest of the "collared" dog killers, your actions could possibly cause you to be the one to be sss.


Keep your dogs on your property--as the law requires--and everyone will get along fine.


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#1950663 - 06/06/10 09:24 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: RAFI]
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I would love to hunt deer with dogs but don't think there are many places big enough to do it on.


What if some wma's added a dog hunt?That way the dog hunters could have a hunt to themselves on a big piece of land.


That is the only way i can see it working.

I'm from VA originally and they do it there. The guys that would do it usually just sit on a gravel rd and let the dogs loose. the dogs run on to the property they have permission to hunt that butts to the road, but then they run on other people's property that butts to the property they're hunting. They usually drink beer and wait from the deer to cross the road then shoot them with buck shot on the run.
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#1950669 - 06/06/10 09:44 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Boone 58]
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Have never cared for it cause the ones who do it here have always shot everything and anything that ran out in front of them.
When you say "always" about a large group,you are "always" wrong.
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#1950685 - 06/06/10 10:16 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Football Hunter]
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Can anyone imagine a bigger cluster**** than if two or more groups of hunters with dogs showed up in close proximity to each other and turned the dogs loose......?

I can't imagine the confusion.

I'd like to go back to the days when I first started deer hunting. A time when there were no wheelers on the market, very few pick-ups riding the roads and even fewer hunters out in the field.

I enjoyed deer hunting so much because it was so peaceful....."the quiet was deafening".....so to speak. Most days, you could count the shots heard on one hand.

I can not imagine the utter chaois that a pack of dogs and a half dozen rifle toting "jump shooters" would bring to such a peaceful setting.

In areas where I hunt there may be five different land owners in a 1000 acre block. How are you going to get permission from all of them to hunt across lines.....?

And what happens to those of us that love the peacefulness of a great deer hunt. Those of us that respect boundary lines and fences.......? What about us?

To me, IF this ever comes to pass in Tn. the only way to do it is to have a set season for dog hunting, maybe in late January after everyone else is done......other than that, there will be trouble and the court system will be full of dead dog pictures and busted lips.

Oh, and one last thing. if your dog, collared or not, runs a deer under me on my property, he better not stop. I've had dogs all of my life and love them, but there is a huge difference in a family pet and a deer running mongrel, even if some irresponsible hunter did put a collar on him and then turn him lose on an adjoining property . Bash me if you want, but I have just as much right to hunt peacefully on my lease or my own property as you do with your dogs on an adjoining property. Just because you use your dog's 'roaming/tracking" tendencies to defend his presence on my land , that does not take away from the fact that your dog is on my property without my permission. If you love the dog, take the time to train him to come off a track when called and never turn them out anywhere close to a property line or better yet, never hunt a property that is too small or that you know your dog may not stay on during a hunt. Even though you may not purposely allow your dog to cross a property line, that does not excuse the fact that the dog did and that is trespassing, plain and simple.


also, shooting at running deer is a horrible thing, IMO.

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#1950875 - 06/06/10 03:22 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Can anyone imagine a bigger cluster**** than if two or more groups of hunters with dogs showed up in close proximity to each other and turned the dogs loose......?

I can't imagine the confusion.




Not really, most dog hunters welcome those with other dogs and it happens regularily where two dog running clubs join each other. At the end of the day, everyone just put the hounds in the club's kennel and neighboring clubs know to check there to see if any of their hounds got mixed up in the chase. Its a lot more laid back than you'd think. Plust most run tracking collars on their hounds. And due to dwindling numbers of doggers, most all hound hunters recognized the common bond and welcome each others company.
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#1950881 - 06/06/10 03:27 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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I enjoyed deer hunting so much because it was so peaceful....."the quiet was deafening".....so to speak. Most days, you could count the shots heard on one hand.

I can not imagine the utter chaois that a pack of dogs and a half dozen rifle toting "jump shooters" would bring to such a peaceful setting.




Its all in what you enjoy, I love still hunting, but theres something about daylight in a swamp or on the edge of a cutover listening to a pack of deer hounds. It sends chills up my spine.
Anyone that knows anything about doghunting knows that you would'nt use a rifle to "jump shoot". If your "jump shooting" then you are obviously a dog "driver" and not a "stander". There is a place for rifles at times, but 95% of the time, a shotgun is the standard. Never seen a dog driver with a rifle, simply because it makes no sense.
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#1950884 - 06/06/10 03:30 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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To me, IF this ever comes to pass in Tn. the only way to do it is to have a set season for dog hunting, maybe in late January after everyone else is done......other than that, there will be trouble and the court system will be full of dead dog pictures and busted lips.




I agree 100%.
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#1950888 - 06/06/10 03:34 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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also, shooting at running deer is a horrible thing, IMO.

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Not neccesarily. In places where dogging is practiced. Many people think no more of shooting a running deer than still hunters think about shooting a deer standing still. And these guys are extremely good at it. I've done it once with a rifle and several times with a shotgun. You will never believe it until you've seen it for yourself, but there are guys out there who are unbeleivable shots while shooting running deer, the thing is, they think nothing of it.
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#1951121 - 06/06/10 06:10 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: BowGirl]
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Keep your dogs on your property--as the law requires--and everyone will get along fine.


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#1951556 - 06/07/10 05:52 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: rukiddin?]
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also, shooting at running deer is a horrible thing, IMO.

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Not neccesarily. In places where dogging is practiced. Many people think no more of shooting a running deer than still hunters think about shooting a deer standing still. And these guys are extremely good at it. I've done it once with a rifle and several times with a shotgun. You will never believe it until you've seen it for yourself, but there are guys out there who are unbeleivable shots while shooting running deer, the thing is, they think nothing of it.


Most hunters always wait until a deer stops before taking a shot. They call it taking an 'ethical" shot. In my opinion, and that's all it is, there will be plenty of wounded deer walking around and/or suffering slow deaths when running shots are so frequently taken. Especially, if new dog hunters take up the sport.

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#1951627 - 06/07/10 07:51 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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poperty lines are one of the biggest issues with dogs and deer..that, and I just don't think alot of folks really know or understand what a good deer dog is or how they are supposed to do thier job.....

A good hog or bear dog is not a good deer hound, at least not in the typical terrain found in TN. They are differant critters altogeather,..and to many people would be trying to use hog n bear dogs to run deer. Even the term running deer is incorrect with a good deer dog...

The objective to a bear and hog dog, which, for the saftey of the dogs, is usually always a pack effort, is to put enough constant pressure on the animal to force it to tree or bay. usually giving the hunter a standing or still shot. The hunters use the sound of the dogs to anticipate the travel direction of the animal or determine once it has treed and locate it... The standers are just put into farmiliar escape routes to cut the animal off incase it doesn't tree or bay quick enough.

All the deer hunts with a dog I was ever on was solo effort, just one dog. The best one I ever saw was a 13" beagle named beetle dog...He might open up and bark maybe once every 8 or 10 minutes and he would track not much faster than you could walk. Other than that, you didn't have much of any idea where the dog was at or what direction he was moving...The deer would typicly move out in front of the dog as much as 10 minutes before the dog would ever come thru, and The deer would rarely ever be running...the deer would almost always be doing a fast walk at best and stopping and listening constanly...the standers still coverd farmiliar escape routes but running shots, or even running deer for that matter, were just not that common...

beetle dog could lock in on a trac of a single deer and stick with that deer no matter how many more it might run across...








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#1951726 - 06/07/10 09:28 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: tndrbstr]
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i see shooting a running deer with a shotgun in front of a dog as no different than shooting a running rabbit with a shotgun in front of dogs.

i support dogs for deer where traditional but i don't want to see it here.
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#1951872 - 06/07/10 11:27 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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vast unbroken and inpenetrable terrain is the only reason I can see to hunt deer with dogs...and I just don't think TN has anything thats so nasty we can't go in after em ourselves....jmo...

Interesting that you should say that, as from what I understand, most of the places that still allow dog hunting for deer are in places where it would be very difficult to effectively hunt deer by the more traditional ways. HUGE swamps are what come to mind in Florida Everglades and parts of South Carolina.


NC has dog hunting in areas and I can attest that hunting them in the coastal woods in NC without dogs is darn near impossible!! I had a farm I had permission to hunt while I lived there and all I can say was its tough!! There were very, very few spots to hunt with more than a 20 yard bow sight and in most of the places worth hunting you could not see more than 40 yards through the vegitation!! There were a few problems with dogs not reading signs but the hunters put their weapons away and recovered their animals. The property I hunted was posted as such, No Hunting and NO DOGS! In areas where its that thick I dont have a problem with folks using dogs..In areas that you can use a little legwork and see for plenty far enough to use the scope on your weapon, like TN, I see no reason for dogs, unless your hunting rabbits!
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#1951965 - 06/07/10 12:51 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Unicam]
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The longer this tread goes the more I miss the time we use to hunt with dogs. Funny how deer learn to adapt to the chase. The big bucks learn different methods to escape. I've seen them crawl through drainage culverts or wait for the does to jump for the dogs to chase them before the bucks slip off the other direction.
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#1952017 - 06/07/10 01:44 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: WRbowhunter]
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Yep, in so many respects, deer seem much just like a big rabbit. \:\)
Hunting them with dogs, just like hunting big rabbits instead of deer.

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#1952381 - 06/07/10 04:46 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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also, shooting at running deer is a horrible thing, IMO.

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Not neccesarily. In places where dogging is practiced. Many people think no more of shooting a running deer than still hunters think about shooting a deer standing still. And these guys are extremely good at it. I've done it once with a rifle and several times with a shotgun. You will never believe it until you've seen it for yourself, but there are guys out there who are unbeleivable shots while shooting running deer, the thing is, they think nothing of it.


Most hunters always wait until a deer stops before taking a shot. They call it taking an 'ethical" shot. In my opinion, and that's all it is, there will be plenty of wounded deer walking around and/or suffering slow deaths when running shots are so frequently taken. Especially, if new dog hunters take up the sport.

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This is really a stupid topic,cause it will never happen,but the mass confusion is part of the fun,and if nobody shot at a moving target,I guess that would take out all bird hunting?

BH....you may have a different view of things if you grew up somewhere else,like sendaro hunting in Texas over corn,doghunting in the south,etc.You usually seem to be against most anything that is not the way you are use to it,and I guess thats natural,but there are many ways to skin a cat,and a lot of guys I grew up with would not like being called unethical,hunting the way their daddy taught em.
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#1952850 - 06/08/10 07:23 AM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: warrent423]
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 Originally Posted By: warrent423
 Originally Posted By: Double-D-Team
BSK, Again your points are valid... You are right on tracks of large land and using dogs...I guess I was just remembering my childhood dog hunts of many years ago and your right it was a large track of land and we never bothered the neighbors..I guess times have changed and there are smaller area's to hunt...sad.. Hunting was a way of life back then. We use to get all the neighbors together 6 farms and hunt for meat and fill everyone's tags. Times have changed and I see what your point is...
Times haven't changed one bit, it's the neighbors that have changed. Lot less "deer hunters" and a lot more "deer managers". Lot's of "traditions" these days being trampled because of the negative views of a "few". Plenty of large tracts in this state left to run deer on and plenty of boys left to run 'em, legal or not. It's ashame us dog hunters have to become outlaws, but in some states it's the only way to keep traditions alive. And by the way, BSK and the rest of the "collared" dog killers, your actions could possibly cause you to be the one to be sss. Not meant to be a threat to anyone, just a reminder.


Wow.

You say times haven't changed one bit, then you discuss how much things have changed.

Just curious, why have you had to become an outlaw and what kind of dog hunting do you do?

Wow. Suggesting someone that deals with a dog on their own property could disappear like a trash running dog, with or without your little disclaimer, is a threat. Just a reminder. ;\)
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#1953657 - 06/08/10 06:34 PM Re: What are your thoughts on dog hunting deer? [Re: farmin68]
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 Originally Posted By: farmin68
 Originally Posted By: warrent423
 Originally Posted By: Double-D-Team
BSK, Again your points are valid... You are right on tracks of large land and using dogs...I guess I was just remembering my childhood dog hunts of many years ago and your right it was a large track of land and we never bothered the neighbors..I guess times have changed and there are smaller area's to hunt...sad.. Hunting was a way of life back then. We use to get all the neighbors together 6 farms and hunt for meat and fill everyone's tags. Times have changed and I see what your point is...
Times haven't changed one bit, it's the neighbors that have changed. Lot less "deer hunters" and a lot more "deer managers". Lot's of "traditions" these days being trampled because of the negative views of a "few". Plenty of large tracts in this state left to run deer on and plenty of boys left to run 'em, legal or not. It's ashame us dog hunters have to become outlaws, but in some states it's the only way to keep traditions alive. And by the way, BSK and the rest of the "collared" dog killers, your actions could possibly cause you to be the one to be sss. Not meant to be a threat to anyone, just a reminder.


Wow.

You say times haven't changed one bit, then you discuss how much things have changed.

Just curious, why have you had to become an outlaw and what kind of dog hunting do you do?

Wow. Suggesting someone that deals with a dog on their own property could disappear like a trash running dog, with or without your little disclaimer, is a threat. Just a reminder. ;\)
Take it any way you want.


Edited by warrent423 (06/08/10 06:34 PM)

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