#1945115 - 06/01/10 09:17 AM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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No doubt, poaching goes on in every state and in every county. However, not all people are poachers. In fact, the vast majority of true hunters hunt by the law. I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread. Sounds as though, some impressionable people, who might stumble onto this thread, would/could actually perceive that it would be OK to do this; since there appears to be a ton of people doing it already. No, I hunt by the books, and I insist on this practice by anybody and everybody that is on a lease with me, period! If this thread is intended to somehow bash the KDFWR, then shame on you. If not, then I apologize. I choose to pay the price for the higher license and the higher lease prices in Ky. each and every year; because, IMO, I have a better chance at harvesting the caliber of deer that I am looking for there.....not because they have telechek!
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#1945334 - 06/01/10 12:31 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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The type system in place doesnt create poachers. Poachers could care less what system is in place, they are poaching, and could care less what the check in procedure is. Most people are honest by nature, and some are not. The rules have no affect on these type people. Rules/laws/limits are there for the honest people to abide by, they have no affect on crooks!
The buck limits will have no affect on hunter Joes success either! If you cant kill mature bucks here now, you wont ever be able to kill them here, regardless of the limit!
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#1945436 - 06/01/10 01:19 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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Don't forget the poachers that are legally hunting but for some reason they decide not to check one in, once they get home (hunting camp). I have had several friends that hunt KY and this is there biggest complaint...
I'm just happy this only happens in KY and not TN or every other state that allows hunting. The telecheck system is way to easy to cheat, its not near as hard as just driving right on by a checking station or for that matter not even going by one. There are cheaters/poachers in every aspect of life in every state and they could care less if its 1 buck or 100 buck limit. These people are going to kill what they want when they want regardless of limits/rules/laws/regulations. Everybody has laws and regulations they are supposed to follow both hunting regs and civil laws, Some don't. That's what keeps the jails full and me a job
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#1945617 - 06/01/10 03:37 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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A 2 buck limit would amount to a drop in a bucket, since very few hunters kill 3 bucks a year anyway. i totally agree.I don't see why people think a 2 buck limit is going to change it that much. Yep... Some people can't except the truth... They believe that lowering limits would improve things and everybody would kill BIG BUCKS... Can't wait until they close deer season down for a few years and we all can kill big bucks. I dont think everyone will kill BIG BUCKS,I think everyone will have a better "chance" at killing a big buck.
There would without a doubt be a few more bucks running around out there Football Hunter but, I believe the number of mature bucks killed would be so slight that the possiblity of lost opportunity would far out weigh the benifit. JMO
It would never affect me in a million years one way or the other. I do good to kill a buck every other year. LOL
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#1947217 - 06/02/10 08:02 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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Just to clarify, I'm not pushing for any limit change, but I would like to state that lowering the buck limit would probably not affect the overall number of bucks harvested but it would put an emphasis on the caliber of bucks harvested, therefore "theoretically" increasing the buck age structure.
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#1950492 - 06/06/10 12:05 AM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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I only know of a few who hunt it and i can tell you they take more than one.............
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#1950605 - 06/06/10 07:27 AM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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The more restrictive a buck limit rule is the more poaching (taking over the limit) will happen.
Indiana went to an OBR trial from a two buck rule (one with archery equipment and one with a firearm) and all that did was transfer some archery buck kill to the firearm season. IOW - the bowhunters were passing the bucks up and the gun hunters were killing them.
Just looking at the antlered deer harvest by equipment and I saw a startling revelation:
In 2001 the Indiana archery hunter killed 12,275 antlered deer. That is the early and late season combined.
On 2001 the Indiana firearm (firearms and MZs) hunters killed 36,082 antlered deer.
Since 2002 (first year of the OBR trial) the yearly average (early and late season combined) for archery hunters is:
9,217 antlered deer
That is 3,058 LESS antlered deer than in 2001.
Since 2002 (first year of the OBR trial) the yearly average for firearm (firearm and MZs) hunters is:
41,562 antlered deer.
That is 5,480 MORE antlered deer than in 2001.
We are not saving any bucks..
Jim Mitchel (IDNR Deer biologist) said at the time that we would just be transferring the antlered deer harvest from one season (early bow) to another (firearm and MZ). I think these numbers pretty well shows he was right.
BTW - the early archery season antlered deer take was on a very steady increase prior to 2002. They were jumping up 1 to 2 thousand every year
The early season archers still havent caught up to that 2001 number.
2001 early archery season antlered deer take - 12,016
2009 early archery season antlered deer take - 10,076
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#1950713 - 06/06/10 11:03 AM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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TOW -
You must not have been around here a few months ago. There were some folks claiming the Indiana OBR was the greatest management move ever to occur in that state. That single move protected more bucks and produced more booners than anything else. It was quite an enjoyable debate.
(FYI - You are right on, I called and spoke to Chad Stewart, Indiana's head deer biologist. He too said they couldn't tell what difference the OBR made because their data was already trending in that direction. It was a move that was not recommended by the biologists, it was put in place by other folks.)
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#1951355 - 06/06/10 08:54 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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TOW -
You must not have been around here a few months ago. There were some folks claiming the Indiana OBR was the greatest management move ever to occur in that state. That single move protected more bucks and produced more booners than anything else. It was quite an enjoyable debate.
(FYI - You are right on, I called and spoke to Chad Stewart, Indiana's head deer biologist. He too said they couldn't tell what difference the OBR made because their data was already trending in that direction. It was a move that was not recommended by the biologists, it was put in place by other folks.)
One only needs to look at the latest whitetail report put out by the QDMA folks to see that EVERY state is having an age shift.Even states with multiple buck limits. Older deer are usually bigger racked deer.
The ONLY common denominator of all these states is we deer hunters are getting older, more experienced and most importantly MORE SELECTIVE in what we will and will, not shoot.
Yes, the OBR trial was pushed through by a very vocal minority. Now that a good number of folks are seeing better deer they automatically assign that progress to the OBR...like we never killed any big bucks before the OBR. The state records for Typical and NT are still 25 or more years old..
Now we are stuck with it..
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#1951358 - 06/06/10 08:55 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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Got a link to that "Enjoyable Debate"? 
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