#1943142 - 05/29/10 09:17 PM
How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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gator-n-buck
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With the check in system in place in KY does anyone believe that KY is really a one buck limit state. I know several people that hunt KY and they have alot of complaints and stories about the # of bucks that are never checked in...? I just bring this up since a lot of guys want to use KY as an example...
Do you think considering TN is #3 and KY #4 in the top 10 poorest states in the U.S. that it plays a role in poaching? Deer would make a good meal for families needing food..?
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#1943143 - 05/29/10 09:17 PM
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I would say that the majority of folks obey the laws. In my opinion folks who would bend a 1 buck limit would bend any limit no matter how large or small.
People are either poachers or not in other words.
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#1943152 - 05/29/10 09:28 PM
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Same as TN has a 3 buck limit.
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#1943153 - 05/29/10 09:28 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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I would say that the majority of folks obey the laws. In my opinion folks who would bend a 1 buck limit would bend any limit no matter how large or small.
People are either poachers or not in other words.
Do you think considering TN is #3 and KY #4 in the top 10 poorest states in the U.S. that it plays a role in poaching? Deer would make a good meal for families needing food..?
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#1943154 - 05/29/10 09:31 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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I would say that the majority of folks obey the laws. In my opinion folks who would bend a 1 buck limit would bend any limit no matter how large or small.
People are either poachers or not in other words. Do you think considering TN is #3 and KY #4 in the top 10 poorest states in the U.S. that it plays a role in poaching? Deer would make a good meal for families needing food..?
Sure, I here single rifle shots all the time when I am in the mtns grouse hunting, turkey hunting, or working on our project.
But the poaching I am sure has a larger impact on Does then it does bucks. JMHO.
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#1943163 - 05/29/10 09:45 PM
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The one buck limit has got to cause more poaching than our 3 buck limit.
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#1943165 - 05/29/10 09:47 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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I would say that the majority of folks obey the laws. In my opinion folks who would bend a 1 buck limit would bend any limit no matter how large or small.
People are either poachers or not in other words. Do you think considering TN is #3 and KY #4 in the top 10 poorest states in the U.S. that it plays a role in poaching? Deer would make a good meal for families needing food..? Sure, I here single rifle shots all the time when I am in the mtns grouse hunting, turkey hunting, or working on our project. But the poaching I am sure has a larger impact on Does then it does bucks. JMHO.
I'm not sure thats correct considering that most poachers could care less if they are bucks or does and deer don't have antlers in most of the off season... The call in system is kind of interesting considering a poacher makes it home before he can make a phone call... I guess it never gets called in...
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#1943168 - 05/29/10 09:52 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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The one buck limit has got to cause more poaching than our 3 buck limit.
I would have to say this is correct especially if you have to call it in... If you don't have a cell phone do you go to the nearest pay phone or do you go home... interesting
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#1943185 - 05/29/10 10:09 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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A doe can feed a needy family too, but if I were in a situation where my family was going hungry, I would shoot the first deer that I saw.
The fact is, most poachers want to kill a buck, any buck, and another fact is.......most of poacher's families are not going hungry.
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#1943219 - 05/29/10 10:43 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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Poachers aren't poaching to feed anything but their ego.
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#1943271 - 05/30/10 05:29 AM
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I have to agree with some on here MOST people that are poaching are going to kill any buck. There are a few that are just trying to feed there family and the will shoot the first thing they see. and they will not take more than they need. If my family was going hungry I would do it and if it got bad enough the neighbors cow might get it... Ok that might be taking it to the extream but you now whaat I mean
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#1943314 - 05/30/10 07:54 AM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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The one buck limit has got to cause more poaching than our 3 buck limit. I'd say when you look at the total big picture, whether the buck limit is 1, 2, 3, or 11 --- it makes little difference.
Poachers don't obey laws. Many if not most deer are poached outside the season, too.
What I can say for sure is that a 3-buck limit will result in the death of more bucks annually than a 1-buck limit, for no other reason than most people do have some respect for the rule of law.
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#1943565 - 05/30/10 12:44 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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Im sure a 1 buck limit in Tn would cause more poaching. It is a completely unnecessary restriction that's only purpose would be to quite a few. Many hunters would see it as just that and ignore bag limits.
I honestly believe that the push to go to a 1 or 2 buck limit has much to do with limiting hunters time in the woods/ pressure on deer and very little to do with the number of bucks killed.
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#1943636 - 05/30/10 02:11 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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Don't forget the poachers that are legally hunting but for some reason they decide not to check one in, once they get home (hunting camp). I have had several friends that hunt KY and this is there biggest complaint...
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#1943654 - 05/30/10 03:24 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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When i went to school in kentucky, i figured out real fast that the telecheck system was used by those that had to have someone process their deer. For many, if they could make it home, the KDFWR would never be the wiser. They would also put the tags on the deer with 2-sided tape so it could be removed and used on another deer during transport, just in case they got pulled over. I knew one individual that killed a very large buck with a shotgun slug during squirrel season, prior to the archery opener. he caped the buck, processed it at home, and put it in the freezer. When the season opened, he called it in, then waited a couple of weeks to take it to a taxidermist. When he was reported, they were just happy he checked it in, nevermind it was killed out of season. Without a checking station, they had no proof of when he killed it, and getting a kill tag for the taxidermist was easy.
There are also alot of people in kentucky, virginia, etc. 9State with telecheck) that have never deer hunted in their lives, but they have checked in deer over the phone, often as landowners that don't have to buy a license. i have even had landowners tell me that i could come hunt and they would check it in for me.
Telecheck is a poacher's dream. JMHO
With all that, i guess i am saying that only the extremely honest are limited to one buck, and many people do not see it as being dishonest as long as the deer is checked out, even if it is by someone that did not kill it.
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#1943836 - 05/30/10 08:02 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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Same as TN has a 3 buck limit. agreed
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#1944249 - 05/31/10 12:18 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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No doubt, poaching goes on in every state and in every county. However, not all people are poachers. In fact, the vast majority of true hunters hunt by the law. I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread. Sounds as though, some impressionable people, who might stumble onto this thread, would/could actually perceive that it would be OK to do this; since there appears to be a ton of people doing it already. No, I hunt by the books, and I insist on this practice by anybody and everybody that is on a lease with me, period! If this thread is intended to somehow bash the KDFWR, then shame on you. If not, then I apologize. I choose to pay the price for the higher license and the higher lease prices in Ky. each and every year; because, IMO, I have a better chance at harvesting the caliber of deer that I am looking for there.....not because they have telechek!
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#1944253 - 05/31/10 12:24 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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So do you people think that you cant kill 10 bucks a year here in TN and do the same things you are describing in KY and not get caught? Sorry but lots of people do it all the time. It doesnt take a genius to figure out how to elude one man in 400 square miles.
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#1944255 - 05/31/10 12:27 PM
Re: How many believe that KY has a 1 buck limit..?.
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I'd say when you look at the total big picture, whether the buck limit is 1, 2, 3, or 11 --- it makes little difference.
Poachers don't obey laws. Many if not most deer are poached outside the season, too.
What I can say for sure is that a 3-buck limit will result in the death of more bucks annually than a 1-buck limit, for no other reason than most people do have some respect for the rule of law.
Absolutely agree!
Well said.
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#1944256 - 05/31/10 12:30 PM
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Im sure a 1 buck limit in Tn would cause more poaching. It is a completely unnecessary restriction that's only purpose would be to quite a few. Many hunters would see it as just that and ignore bag limits.
I honestly believe that the push to go to a 1 or 2 buck limit has much to do with limiting hunters time in the woods/ pressure on deer and very little to do with the number of bucks killed.
Totally disagree.
And I still support a 2 buck limit.
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#1944538 - 05/31/10 05:42 PM
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A 2 buck limit would amount to a drop in a bucket, since very few hunters kill 3 bucks a year anyway.
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#1944559 - 05/31/10 06:01 PM
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A 2 buck limit would amount to a drop in a bucket, since very few hunters kill 3 bucks a year anyway.
i totally agree.I don't see why people think a 2 buck limit is going to change it that much.
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#1944616 - 05/31/10 07:12 PM
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A 2 buck limit would amount to a drop in a bucket, since very few hunters kill 3 bucks a year anyway. i totally agree.I don't see why people think a 2 buck limit is going to change it that much.
Yep... Some people can't except the truth... They believe that lowering limits would improve things and everybody would kill BIG BUCKS... Can't wait until they close deer season down for a few years and we all can kill big bucks.
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#1944871 - 05/31/10 10:37 PM
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I'm not a prophet, but I predict Tennessee will move up a few more notches this upcoming season, as far as antler scores go. We have been "moving up" for awhile now in the last few years, but I believe the reason is not "limit" related.
Ya'll know what I'm talking about.
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#1944943 - 06/01/10 06:11 AM
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A 2 buck limit would amount to a drop in a bucket, since very few hunters kill 3 bucks a year anyway. i totally agree.I don't see why people think a 2 buck limit is going to change it that much. Yep... Some people can't except the truth... They believe that lowering limits would improve things and everybody would kill BIG BUCKS... Can't wait until they close deer season down for a few years and we all can kill big bucks.
Agreed, with mentalities shifting and a lot of the hunters out there beginning to set their standards higher, dropping back to a 2 buck limit makes no difference and shifting to a one buck limit makes no sense IMO.
I do think a shift with restrictions on part of the limit or all of the limit would have an impact, but do not think it is necessary at the state level, not anymore.
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#1945034 - 06/01/10 07:56 AM
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A 2 buck limit would amount to a drop in a bucket, since very few hunters kill 3 bucks a year anyway. i totally agree.I don't see why people think a 2 buck limit is going to change it that much. Yep... Some people can't except the truth... They believe that lowering limits would improve things and everybody would kill BIG BUCKS... Can't wait until they close deer season down for a few years and we all can kill big bucks. I dont think everyone will kill BIG BUCKS,I think everyone will have a better "chance" at killing a big buck.
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#1945107 - 06/01/10 09:09 AM
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Poachers aren't poaching to feed anything but their ego. yep
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#1945111 - 06/01/10 09:13 AM
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A 2 buck limit would amount to a drop in a bucket, since very few hunters kill 3 bucks a year anyway. i totally agree.I don't see why people think a 2 buck limit is going to change it that much. Yep... Some people can't except the truth... They believe that lowering limits would improve things and everybody would kill BIG BUCKS... Can't wait until they close deer season down for a few years and we all can kill big bucks. I dont think everyone will kill BIG BUCKS,I think everyone will have a better "chance" at killing a big buck. i agree FH even in the great midwestern states it's not like everyone is killing big bucks
some people just don't want to except the REAL truth
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#1945115 - 06/01/10 09:17 AM
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No doubt, poaching goes on in every state and in every county. However, not all people are poachers. In fact, the vast majority of true hunters hunt by the law. I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread. Sounds as though, some impressionable people, who might stumble onto this thread, would/could actually perceive that it would be OK to do this; since there appears to be a ton of people doing it already. No, I hunt by the books, and I insist on this practice by anybody and everybody that is on a lease with me, period! If this thread is intended to somehow bash the KDFWR, then shame on you. If not, then I apologize. I choose to pay the price for the higher license and the higher lease prices in Ky. each and every year; because, IMO, I have a better chance at harvesting the caliber of deer that I am looking for there.....not because they have telechek! good post
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#1945334 - 06/01/10 12:31 PM
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The type system in place doesnt create poachers. Poachers could care less what system is in place, they are poaching, and could care less what the check in procedure is. Most people are honest by nature, and some are not. The rules have no affect on these type people. Rules/laws/limits are there for the honest people to abide by, they have no affect on crooks! The buck limits will have no affect on hunter Joes success either! If you cant kill mature bucks here now, you wont ever be able to kill them here, regardless of the limit!
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#1945436 - 06/01/10 01:19 PM
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Don't forget the poachers that are legally hunting but for some reason they decide not to check one in, once they get home (hunting camp). I have had several friends that hunt KY and this is there biggest complaint...
I'm just happy this only happens in KY and not TN or every other state that allows hunting. The telecheck system is way to easy to cheat, its not near as hard as just driving right on by a checking station or for that matter not even going by one. There are cheaters/poachers in every aspect of life in every state and they could care less if its 1 buck or 100 buck limit. These people are going to kill what they want when they want regardless of limits/rules/laws/regulations. Everybody has laws and regulations they are supposed to follow both hunting regs and civil laws, Some don't. That's what keeps the jails full and me a job
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#1945617 - 06/01/10 03:37 PM
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A 2 buck limit would amount to a drop in a bucket, since very few hunters kill 3 bucks a year anyway. i totally agree.I don't see why people think a 2 buck limit is going to change it that much. Yep... Some people can't except the truth... They believe that lowering limits would improve things and everybody would kill BIG BUCKS... Can't wait until they close deer season down for a few years and we all can kill big bucks. I dont think everyone will kill BIG BUCKS,I think everyone will have a better "chance" at killing a big buck.
There would without a doubt be a few more bucks running around out there Football Hunter but, I believe the number of mature bucks killed would be so slight that the possiblity of lost opportunity would far out weigh the benifit. JMO
It would never affect me in a million years one way or the other. I do good to kill a buck every other year. LOL
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#1947217 - 06/02/10 08:02 PM
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Just to clarify, I'm not pushing for any limit change, but I would like to state that lowering the buck limit would probably not affect the overall number of bucks harvested but it would put an emphasis on the caliber of bucks harvested, therefore "theoretically" increasing the buck age structure.
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#1950492 - 06/06/10 12:05 AM
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I only know of a few who hunt it and i can tell you they take more than one.............
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#1950605 - 06/06/10 07:27 AM
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The more restrictive a buck limit rule is the more poaching (taking over the limit) will happen.
Indiana went to an OBR trial from a two buck rule (one with archery equipment and one with a firearm) and all that did was transfer some archery buck kill to the firearm season. IOW - the bowhunters were passing the bucks up and the gun hunters were killing them.
Just looking at the antlered deer harvest by equipment and I saw a startling revelation:
In 2001 the Indiana archery hunter killed 12,275 antlered deer. That is the early and late season combined.
On 2001 the Indiana firearm (firearms and MZs) hunters killed 36,082 antlered deer.
Since 2002 (first year of the OBR trial) the yearly average (early and late season combined) for archery hunters is:
9,217 antlered deer
That is 3,058 LESS antlered deer than in 2001.
Since 2002 (first year of the OBR trial) the yearly average for firearm (firearm and MZs) hunters is:
41,562 antlered deer.
That is 5,480 MORE antlered deer than in 2001.
We are not saving any bucks..
Jim Mitchel (IDNR Deer biologist) said at the time that we would just be transferring the antlered deer harvest from one season (early bow) to another (firearm and MZ). I think these numbers pretty well shows he was right.
BTW - the early archery season antlered deer take was on a very steady increase prior to 2002. They were jumping up 1 to 2 thousand every year
The early season archers still havent caught up to that 2001 number.
2001 early archery season antlered deer take - 12,016
2009 early archery season antlered deer take - 10,076
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#1950713 - 06/06/10 11:03 AM
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TOW -
You must not have been around here a few months ago. There were some folks claiming the Indiana OBR was the greatest management move ever to occur in that state. That single move protected more bucks and produced more booners than anything else. It was quite an enjoyable debate.
(FYI - You are right on, I called and spoke to Chad Stewart, Indiana's head deer biologist. He too said they couldn't tell what difference the OBR made because their data was already trending in that direction. It was a move that was not recommended by the biologists, it was put in place by other folks.)
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#1951355 - 06/06/10 08:54 PM
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TOW -
You must not have been around here a few months ago. There were some folks claiming the Indiana OBR was the greatest management move ever to occur in that state. That single move protected more bucks and produced more booners than anything else. It was quite an enjoyable debate.
(FYI - You are right on, I called and spoke to Chad Stewart, Indiana's head deer biologist. He too said they couldn't tell what difference the OBR made because their data was already trending in that direction. It was a move that was not recommended by the biologists, it was put in place by other folks.)
One only needs to look at the latest whitetail report put out by the QDMA folks to see that EVERY state is having an age shift.Even states with multiple buck limits. Older deer are usually bigger racked deer.
The ONLY common denominator of all these states is we deer hunters are getting older, more experienced and most importantly MORE SELECTIVE in what we will and will, not shoot.
Yes, the OBR trial was pushed through by a very vocal minority. Now that a good number of folks are seeing better deer they automatically assign that progress to the OBR...like we never killed any big bucks before the OBR. The state records for Typical and NT are still 25 or more years old..
Now we are stuck with it..
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#1951358 - 06/06/10 08:55 PM
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Got a link to that "Enjoyable Debate"?
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#1951915 - 06/07/10 12:09 PM
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Got a link to that "Enjoyable Debate"?
Look at the very bottom of page 5 here: Indiana Discussion That's where it all began.
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#1951937 - 06/07/10 12:32 PM
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thought it was 2
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#1951959 - 06/07/10 12:46 PM
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Like I have said here for years! Any time a small group of individuals, can show up at a single meeting, one weekday out of the year, and get changes made to the entire states seasons/bag limits/etc. Whether they be good or bad, or in the favor of the state biologist/employees that are paid to make these very decisions, is a very flawed system.
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#1952014 - 06/07/10 01:41 PM
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Like I have said here for years! Any time a small group of individuals, can show up at a single meeting, one weekday out of the year, and get changes made to the entire states seasons/bag limits/etc. Whether they be good or bad, or in the favor of the state biologist/employees that are paid to make these very decisions, is a very flawed system. Certainly not a perfect system in TN, but far worse it would be if those same wildlife decisions were made by state legislators. You think it's "political" now? Imagine how bad it would be if most of those making the decisions not only don't hunt or fish, but are totally clueless about wildlife issues, and couldn't care less if you have a zero or a 3-buck limit.
We actually have it better in TN (regarding how our wildlife agency is governed and sets seasons/rules) than most states.
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#1952023 - 06/07/10 01:52 PM
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Like I have said here for years! Any time a small group of individuals, can show up at a single meeting, one weekday out of the year, and get changes made to the entire states seasons/bag limits/etc. Whether they be good or bad, or in the favor of the state biologist/employees that are paid to make these very decisions, is a very flawed system.
That is exactly what happened in Indiana.
The state deer biologists said that going to an OBR was not a biological detriment to the herd. If the hunters wanted it they would do it.
Enough squeaky wheels showed up at the meetings and it passed. A lot of Indiana deer hunters were blindsided that first year. They never knew a thing about it until they went to get their Hunting Guide the next year.
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#1952047 - 06/07/10 02:05 PM
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Got a link to that "Enjoyable Debate"? Look at the very bottom of page 5 here: Indiana Discussion That's where it all began.
Interesting indeed.
When I get time I'll post there.
Not sure where he is getting " Here are the statistics that Indiana DNR kept in relation to going to a 1 buck limit."
The IDNR has not kept any "trophy records" for about 12 or more years. That is handled now by the Indiana Deer Hunters Association which was the prime mover of the OBR.
In the recent renewal of the OBR trial the IDNR stated emphatically that the record books was not reliable data to base anything on.
Since the deer biologist at that time said that Indiana had only 5 to 6 thousand "double dippers" (one buck with a bow and one buck with a firearm) proior to the OBR and now we are killing about 6,000 MORE that we did then, I sure cant see any "buck savings".
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#1952776 - 06/07/10 11:44 PM
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Seems like this went from a question about Kentucky to a discussion about limit changes and politics in Indiana. Oh well now we can start the Kentucky vs. Indiana debate, that will be nice ! Maybe I misunderstood the title question, but I thought it meant do you think that all hunters in Kentucky only shoot 1 buck each, not do you agree or disagree with a 1 buck limit.
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#1952812 - 06/08/10 06:08 AM
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Do you think considering TN is #3 and KY #4 in the top 10 poorest states in the U.S. that it plays a role in poaching? Deer would make a good meal for families needing food..?
I doubt this, since families on food stamps are able to buy WAY YONDER more groceries than I am able to buy.
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#1952930 - 06/08/10 08:55 AM
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Seems like this went from a question about Kentucky to a discussion about limit changes and politics in Indiana. Oh well now we can start the Kentucky vs. Indiana debate, that will be nice ! Maybe I misunderstood the title question, but I thought it meant do you think that all hunters in Kentucky only shoot 1 buck each, not do you agree or disagree with a 1 buck limit.
LOL..... the OBR does seem to get a lot of attention doesn't it?
I hunt KY too and I can say that they have a disapportioned amount of game outlaws.
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#1953300 - 06/08/10 01:50 PM
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[LOL..... the OBR does seem to get a lot of attention doesn't it?
I hunt KY too and I can say that they have a disapportioned amount of game outlaws.
I totally agree !!! The farm we hunt in Ky has a public gravel road that runs through it and during deer season about every 10 minutes you hear gravel turning and the local poachers are creepin' by tryin' to do a drive by. Its funny that same gravel road gets almost zero traffic the rest of the year.
Last year my buddy was hunting a stand in a hollow not far off of that road. His truck was parked on the side of the road at the edge of one of our fields. He heard a vehicle approach, then shots were fired, doors open and shut and talking. All of this was in sight of his vehicle.
We have also found gloves under one of our stands, but hey at least they got out of the vehicle ! The rural areas with gravel roads and the smaller country roads truly are a poachers paradise.
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#1954455 - 06/09/10 12:30 PM
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Sad but true, we have had 2 big mature bucks shot from the road at night, and their heads cut off and the rest of the deer left laying in the field on a KY farm. Im sure it happens all over, but the secluded areas loaded with ag fields makes it easy pickin for the poachers.
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#1955589 - 06/10/10 09:21 AM
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[LOL..... the OBR does seem to get a lot of attention doesn't it?
I hunt KY too and I can say that they have a disapportioned amount of game outlaws.
I totally agree !!! The farm we hunt in Ky has a public gravel road that runs through it and during deer season about every 10 minutes you hear gravel turning and the local poachers are creepin' by tryin' to do a drive by. Its funny that same gravel road gets almost zero traffic the rest of the year.
Last year my buddy was hunting a stand in a hollow not far off of that road. His truck was parked on the side of the road at the edge of one of our fields. He heard a vehicle approach, then shots were fired, doors open and shut and talking. All of this was in sight of his vehicle.
We have also found gloves under one of our stands, but hey at least they got out of the vehicle ! The rural areas with gravel roads and the smaller country roads truly are a poachers paradise.
i fight those same problems every year here in TN
i have one stand that i can see the road from and i'm about 500yds away, i can't see my truck from my stand because the field has a bend in it but the road hunters would have to be blind not to see it, i was watching a spike and a couple of does when a truck pulled up, opened the door and pointed a gun at the deer. that when i stood up and yelled at the top of my lungs and they got back in and drove off.
i should have let them shoot then called the law or shot over the truck
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#1957158 - 06/11/10 05:05 PM
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I hunt in KY and TN.......The poaching problem seems to be about equal in each state.
Poaching because your family is hungry is pure BS. If you can afford guns, ammo, gasoline and spotlights, you can afford to buy groceries.
Poachers are thrill killers.
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