#1942369 - 05/28/10 06:06 PM
Re: Is it possible..........?
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tndrbstr
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Is it possible to kill too many does ?
First, define "too many."
I would say that "to many" is defined as the point at which doe harvest(for lack of a better word, sorry bowriter) turns from benifical towards detremintal in relation to a preplaned managment goal...
If the goal is total eradication then "to many" would be a mute point.... 
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#1942644 - 05/28/10 11:27 PM
Re: Is it possible..........?
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RKenney
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I agree with BSK's answer. Good cover has a way of protecting
any animal, that knows it's trying to be killed. Instinct in
animals, does , bucks, or whatever, tells them to hide out when
they KNOW their lives are in danger.
I often wonder about heavily hunted areas that have 2 or 3 year
old clear cut areas. I will bet that there are some older does
and bucks that love it. Deer become somewhat relaxed when they
are not pursued, but when the smell hits the woods and a few
shots are fired..........almost everyone knows where they will
go.
Make no mistake, a mature deer has extreme patients during
daylight shooting hours and they will wait you out. Even during
the rut, for some older bucks.
Take away the cover, and yes, you can kill too many does. It is
not rocket science and pretty easy to figure out without too
much data.
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#1942709 - 05/29/10 06:19 AM
Re: Is it possible..........?
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Bottom Hunter
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By "too many" I meant enough to have a detrimental effect on the herd density and possibly begin to not see any deer during shooting light or even on trail cams...etc.
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#1942768 - 05/29/10 08:52 AM
Re: Is it possible..........?
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BSK
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It is
not rocket science and pretty easy to figure out without too
much data.
Actually, it is rocket science and requires as much data as you can collect. How would you know how many does you actually have left after harvest without data and research?
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#1942774 - 05/29/10 09:05 AM
Re: Is it possible..........?
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BSK
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By "too many" I meant enough to have a detrimental effect on the herd density
I hate to say this but, define "detrimental effect on herd density."
And I'm not trying to be facetious. Depending on the goals, managers may want a very low deer density. Individual deer health isn't maximized until deer density is way below what most hunters would consider "optimal" for hunting enjoyment.
...and possibly begin to not see any deer during shooting light or even on trail cams...etc.
Now those are two very good but potentially conflicting criteria. Considering that most management efforts are driven by "hunter desires" instead of optimal deer performance, what hunters are seeing while hunting is one very good measure of "too much harvest pressure." I promise you that high harvest pressure can have a major impact on "what hunters are seeing while hunting" long before it significantly impacts the actual population. What I'm getting at is intense harvest pressure can rapidly drive a targeted group of deer nocturnal even if that harvest pressure hasn't decreased the actual population significantly. The deer are still there but hunters no longer see them hence are unhappy with the management.
On the other hand, "not getting deer on trail-cam" is a different story. Considering trail-cams run at night, not getting deer on trail-cam (if the cams are set-up properly) would be an actual measure of deer density. Not getting deer on trail-cam would mean you have impacted the deer population through harvest, or at least driven them away from the area temporarily (depending the size of the area being monitored).
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#1942828 - 05/29/10 10:57 AM
Re: Is it possible..........?
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Mike Belt
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The fastest, most sure way to control the population is to shoot or not shoot does (depending on whether you're trying to expand or reduce numbers). Once you start targeting does they are going to get harder to see and in areas where hunters are passing on younger bucks you may actually see more bucks than you do does because of this. As so often mentioned, cover has a major impact. When push comes to shove, your does will go nocturnal, reduce movement, and seek security. Generally that security equates to cover but it may also be in isolated areas not pressured.
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