#1941816 - 05/28/10 07:45 AM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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Do KY bucks taste different than TN bucks?
If a buck walks across the state line into TN, do his antlers shrink?
Do we have bucks in TN that have crossed over from KY without their green cards?
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#1941874 - 05/28/10 08:45 AM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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I think this is where things started to get a little side tracked..
Not going to comment on what you said earlier concerning the mountains and the geology? Just curious why you would make such a profound statement originally, then when challenged dodge the entire thing as if you never made the original statement.
Hey you were the one that threw down the proverbial guantlet and challenged somebody to come out on the front porch to defend a statement they had made. Which as far as I know, You are the only one that didn't comprehend exactly what he said. And why not?...not because HE painted with a broad brush as you put it, thats bs, but because it sounded to you like he was disagreeing with YOU...that was the travisty, how dare anyone do that?.....Then spent the next numerous posts spewing out anything that would lay any and all fault away from you,...
...RATHER THAN JUST MAN UP AND MOVE ON....
I don't know of anyone that has joined here to come to my defense, but that means little. I know a lot of folks, so it doesn't surprise me much.
I never said any one joined here just to defend you...No, I think ol' zuess was already here the whole time you were...and even just a litte after you departed if you catch my drift...I am thinking you may very well know lots of folks, including zuess...you can get help for that.....
 
AS usual, you have no knowledge of the subject, so you drag things to this level
And AS usuall,...its always somebody else that has to accept ALL the resposability for that isn't it... 
...ya,..It's all my fault... 
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#1941914 - 05/28/10 09:18 AM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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Good time Charlie
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Well does anybody seem to think that kentucky has a different gene pool,and Does the 1 buck limit have any thing to do with the ,"in my opinion"' bigger deer that seem to come from southeast Kentucky.Geography has nothing to do with it ,it is to close to call either way.Lets forget about that for right now.Everybody I have talked to over the past couple days who live in both states mind you,agree that the 1 buck limit has everything to do with the bigger deer.They do not hesitate when they answer.They have one opportunity and they wait and hold out for that opportunity.While in Tenn. we see many 1.5 old deer at the checking stations.These deer do not grow up to maturity,and this goes on year after year..
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#1941939 - 05/28/10 09:33 AM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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Everybody I have talked to over the past couple days who live in both states mind you,agree that the 1 buck limit has everything to do with the bigger deer.They do not hesitate when they answer.They have one opportunity and they wait and hold out for that opportunity..
This is the same response I get from everyone I have talked to from both states that hunt both states.
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#1942009 - 05/28/10 10:55 AM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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I know KY's data is not very good, but TWRA is reporting that KY kills more yearling bucks % wise than TN?? But the kicker I think is that TN kills about twice as many bucks total over KY's total. I dont think its the buck limits that get a lot of young bucks killed here in TN. I think its the fact that most hunters in the woods with a Rifle dont have a doe tag,Unit B and Unit A their off limits, and Unit L they are forced to either shoot a buck or spend extra time and money buying a permit to allow the harvest of a doe. A simple either sex lic would solve much of this, with the does being off limits only in the areas where the herd cant stand it.
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#1942027 - 05/28/10 11:22 AM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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BigGameGuy
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They have one opportunity and they wait and hold out for that opportunity.While in Tenn. we see many 1.5 old deer at the checking stations.These deer do not grow up to maturity,and this goes on year after year..
This is true, but for the last few years KY has been harvesting a higher percentage of yearlings than TN. I know that TN kills more bucks than KY but we are fast approaching the point where the number of yearlings killed per square mile is almost equal in the two states. And I'll be the first to point out that we allow our hunters to kill three bucks while KY hunters can only kill one. I give ALL the credit to Tennessee hunters.
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#1942030 - 05/28/10 11:33 AM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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Setterman
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Well does anybody seem to think that kentucky has a different gene pool,and Does the 1 buck limit have any thing to do with the ,"in my opinion"' bigger deer that seem to come from southeast Kentucky.Geography has nothing to do with it ,it is to close to call either way.Lets forget about that for right now.Everybody I have talked to over the past couple days who live in both states mind you,agree that the 1 buck limit has everything to do with the bigger deer.They do not hesitate when they answer.They have one opportunity and they wait and hold out for that opportunity.While in Tenn. we see many 1.5 old deer at the checking stations.These deer do not grow up to maturity,and this goes on year after year..
Personally I do not feel that our limits or KY's limits has anything do with the bucks which live in either state. If we keep it limited to the SE KY and NE TN portion the terrain is what matters the most. There are lots of big bucks on the KY side, and even more on the TN side based on what I have found.
If the limit was 10, I don't think it would make any difference in these areas, just based on the difficult landscape these deer inhabit.
I tried for a month last year to kill one particular deer, granted I was bow hunting, and saw him several times. But he never used defined travel corridors or anything else that could be patterned.
Both states are good, but if I were just wanting the best chances to kill a really big mature deer, my money would be on TN, based on the evidence I have found.
We have also found through hunter surveys that the bulk of folks hunting on both sides KY/TN pass up most younger age class deer. I think last year in TN it was some staggering % of people who passed up younger (1.5) bucks waiting for something a little larger. They knew there were big bucks around, and chose to wait for them rather then burn a tag on rats. It really surprised me, and the heaviest yearling shooters we found were in the valley regions Jefferson Cty etc etc. Those folks were much more likely to ace the first antlers they saw which was seemingly different then those along the northern border.
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#1942032 - 05/28/10 11:39 AM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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BigGameGuy
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In response to the yearling kill rate in each state, I just ran some numbers. According to the data, on average, Tennessee hunters kill approximately 0.7 yearlings per square mile while Kentucky hunters kill approximately 0.6.
I don't know about you but adding the opportunity to kill two additional bucks per every hunter is worth the 0.1 yearlings extra we are killing. That's one extra yearling buck killed for every ten square miles. I think it's a pretty good deal the TN hunters have...again, our hunters have earned that opportunity.
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#1942041 - 05/28/10 11:48 AM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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Setterman
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In response to the yearling kill rate in each state, I just ran some numbers. According to the data, on average, Tennessee hunters kill approximately 0.7 yearlings per square mile while Kentucky hunters kill approximately 0.6.
I don't know about you but adding the opportunity to kill two additional bucks per every hunter is worth the 0.1 yearlings extra we are killing. That's one extra yearling buck killed for every ten square miles. I think it's a pretty good deal the TN hunters have...again, our hunters have earned that opportunity.
I have no issues with that, and after my time in the field in this state. I don't think current regs are really altering anything, hunter mentalities are changing and have changed and that is what is making the largest difference statewide IMO.
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