#1938410 - 05/25/10 05:00 PM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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Wes Parrish
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Setterman, I'm actually glad to hear of your experience on the TN side of the line. That's very encouraging, regardless as to which side of the line might be better a few miles east or west of your study.
Perception is not reality . . . . .
And that COULD be the case in your comparison if you didn't have a pretty large data set.
How many set-ups did you have in each state, and over how many square miles did you have set-ups with cameras?
It could simply be mostly happenstance that you stumbled upon a large bachelor group in TN, but weren't that "lucky" in KY?
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#1938424 - 05/25/10 05:16 PM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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Winchester
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Actually a good point here Wes, one or two tracts of land are not guarantees that the entire poirtion of state follow suit. It is however all he has to go with and he's using what he has. You have to start somewhere and it will be interesting to see if his trend continues. Good luck with the sampling Setterman.
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#1938430 - 05/25/10 05:28 PM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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The "mountains" of most of Eastern KY are very different geologically than what most consider the "mountains" of East TN. Tell me something: Is that mountain soil of the Eastern KY "mountains" as good as the "valley" soil which makes up a big portion of East TN? To me, it looks like overall, East TN has a lot more more fertile valley land than East KY?
The flood-plain soils along the TN River (I-75 corridor) should be pretty good soils. The problem is getting bucks to any advanced age in that region.
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#1938433 - 05/25/10 05:31 PM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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I have a couple of clients in East KY. Their creek-bottom and flat ridge-top soils are far superior to anything a work with in western Middle TN. Often the pH of those East KY soils start out at over 6.0. The western Middle TN soils (near KY Lake) often start out in the high 4s and low 5s.
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#1938477 - 05/25/10 06:24 PM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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Wes Parrish
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Interesting.
The western Middle TN soils (near KY Lake) often start out in the high 4s and low 5s.
Makes it even more amazing that so many of TN's B&C bucks have come from western Middle TN (near KY Lake and/or up and down the east side of the Tennessee River).
Most baffling to me is where KY Lake separates Henry Co. and Stewart Co. Henry has the better soils, lots of agriculture. Stewart has the rocky ridges and comparatively no agriculture.
But take a look at the TN Deer Registry and the B & C Record Book. It's a shocking difference in entries for which I've yet to find a really good explanation. Even more puzzling considering there's been something like 10 times more bucks harvested in Henry County since records have been kept. My "theory" is Stewart may have experienced less antler high-grading, and had a little better buck age structure than Henry Co.
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#1938550 - 05/25/10 07:35 PM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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gator-n-buck
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Heres the maps... I'm the one that posted them.. One map shows soil and the other are the leading big buck states. They seem to match up...
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#1938740 - 05/25/10 09:05 PM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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Setterman
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IMO-Southeast Ky has by far more big deer than east Tn. I live in Tn and hunt both and there is no question in my mind why Southeast Ky has better quality than Northeast Tn. It is all about the buck limits and how the deer population is controlled. Its gotten better in Tn the past few years but still you can see a big difference in the intensity of the Ky rut compared to Tn. With all due respect, you are wrong. Perception is not reality from the research I have done along the SE KY border compared to the NNE TN side. Everything I have gathered indicates a much larger population of mature bucks on the TN side versus the KY side. Strikingly more in fact. In one area which is about 3,000 acres in a block, I routinely captured the same 11 bucks all of which were 3.5 years+ in age, and in addition to those there were countless little guys which showed as well. 2 of those 11, were 150"+, and the others all appeared to be in the 125"-140" range. Good looking deer for their age. Similar land and similar size, not 3/4 a mile into KY had 1 buck which showed that was 3.5+, and a smattering of younger bucks. Sure there could have been variables which were unaccounted for, but I chose both places because of the vast majority of similarities. Food sources basically equal, secondary growth equal, size equal, human access equal, and terrain was equal. If there was something unique to one or the other, then it was insignificant IMO. I am not say SE KY is void of mature bucks, it just lacks the numbers which inhabit the TN side. with all due respect of course, that is what you have experienced which is not the case for some of us, habitat in my spots in TN and KY are basically equal also and my encounters with 3.5 yos or better are far more often in KY than TN despite the fact that i am in TN afield twice as much since all i have to do is step out the back door i realize that this may not be the case for everyone but most of my friends have also had this kind of success
What portion of KY and what portion of TN are you referring to?
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#1938741 - 05/25/10 09:06 PM
Re: E. Tn. deer VS E, Ky deer?
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Setterman
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IMO-Southeast Ky has by far more big deer than east Tn. I live in Tn and hunt both and there is no question in my mind why Southeast Ky has better quality than Northeast Tn. It is all about the buck limits and how the deer population is controlled. Its gotten better in Tn the past few years but still you can see a big difference in the intensity of the Ky rut compared to Tn. With all due respect, you are wrong. Perception is not reality from the research I have done along the SE KY border compared to the NNE TN side. Everything I have gathered indicates a much larger population of mature bucks on the TN side versus the KY side. Strikingly more in fact. In one area which is about 3,000 acres in a block, I routinely captured the same 11 bucks all of which were 3.5 years+ in age, and in addition to those there were countless little guys which showed as well. 2 of those 11, were 150"+, and the others all appeared to be in the 125"-140" range. Good looking deer for their age. Similar land and similar size, not 3/4 a mile into KY had 1 buck which showed that was 3.5+, and a smattering of younger bucks. Sure there could have been variables which were unaccounted for, but I chose both places because of the vast majority of similarities. Food sources basically equal, secondary growth equal, size equal, human access equal, and terrain was equal. If there was something unique to one or the other, then it was insignificant IMO. I am not say SE KY is void of mature bucks, it just lacks the numbers which inhabit the TN side. I may be wrong but from my experience its just the opposite of your results. If you got that many mature bucks on your property in Tn then great but thats not normally what I have seen.
It is not my property, everything I did was done on public property in both states.
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