#1934042 - 05/21/10 10:10 AM
Re: World Class Leases in TN
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I saw a Fred Bear interview a couple days ago. He was 83 at the time and had taken just about all the "big" game species in the world except Rhino and a couple more. When asked which ONE big game animal was his favorite, and the MOST challenging to kill, he replied the whitetail. He said he thought that there was nothing harder to kill than a deer with a bow. He mentioned a few specifics like how incredibly "smart" (probably interpreted survival conscious)deer are. I also interpreted that he meant that killing a mature whitetail deer was, in his opinion "the hardest big game animal to kill with a bow".
I think we all often FORGET just how tough these animals are to kill. The TV makes it look easier at times, but chasing free ranging wild, especially pressured deer, can be RIDICULOUSLY frustrating.
I find it more than a little amusing that in just my short lifetime, I have watched deer hunting evolve from that of being VERY excited over just seeing a track, to talking managing for LARGE antlered bucks and actually PASSING on young or small antlered bucks. All in a span of only about 30 years of hunting.
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Very true! But also think how much the deer population as exploded in those 30 years! I'm 31years old and starting hunting in the early 90s, man even then I can remember only seeing 4 to 5 deer a year and that was something amazing! I think especially in TN that the deer population explosion is the main contributor to changes in the way we hunt JMO
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#1934100 - 05/21/10 10:40 AM
Re: World Class Leases in TN
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I saw a Fred Bear interview a couple days ago. He was 83 at the time and had taken just about all the "big" game species in the world except Rhino and a couple more. When asked which ONE big game animal was his favorite, and the MOST challenging to kill, he replied the whitetail. He said he thought that there was nothing harder to kill than a deer with a bow. He mentioned a few specifics like how incredibly "smart" (probably interpreted survival conscious)deer are. I also interpreted that he meant that killing a mature whitetail deer was, in his opinion "the hardest big game animal to kill with a bow".
I think we all often FORGET just how tough these animals are to kill. The TV makes it look easier at times, but chasing free ranging wild, especially pressured deer, can be RIDICULOUSLY frustrating.
I find it more than a little amusing that in just my short lifetime, I have watched deer hunting evolve from that of being VERY excited over just seeing a track, to talking managing for LARGE antlered bucks and actually PASSING on young or small antlered bucks. All in a span of only about 30 years of hunting.
102 Very true! But also think how much the deer population as exploded in those 30 years! I'm 31years old and starting hunting in the early 90s, man even then I can remember only seeing 4 to 5 deer a year and that was something amazing! I think especially in TN that the deer population explosion is the main contributor to changes in the way we hunt JMO Heck, just the population growth in the last ten years has been amazing from what I have seen.
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#1934811 - 05/21/10 07:33 PM
Re: World Class Leases in TN
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Yes, but to keep things in perspective, Fred Bear was not hunting places where deer were scarce. Even then, there were states that had VERY huntable populations of deer.
Though the population has exploded, this does not necessarily mean that the population of HUGE bucks has also exploded.
There have always been large antlered bucks around. I think it is just that the media has driven this whole trophy thing.
THE FACTS STILL AND PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL REMAIN THAT VERY FEW HUNTERS WILL EVER KILL A 150 INCH PLUS BUCK. 102
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#1935065 - 05/22/10 06:38 AM
Re: World Class Leases in TN
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THE FACTS STILL AND PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL REMAIN THAT VERY FEW HUNTERS WILL EVER KILL A 150 INCH PLUS BUCK.
In my opinion, the majority of Southeastern hunters will never even see a legit 150-class buck in their hunting career.
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#1935067 - 05/22/10 06:48 AM
Re: World Class Leases in TN
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THE FACTS STILL AND PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL REMAIN THAT VERY FEW HUNTERS WILL EVER KILL A 150 INCH PLUS BUCK.
In my opinion, the majority of Southeastern hunters will never even see a legit 150-class buck in their hunting career. sad,but true ,but the are no gates going NORTH!
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#1935785 - 05/23/10 09:30 AM
Re: World Class Leases in TN
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THE FACTS STILL AND PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL REMAIN THAT VERY FEW HUNTERS WILL EVER KILL A 150 INCH PLUS BUCK.
In my opinion, the majority of Southeastern hunters will never even see a legit 150-class buck in their hunting career. sad,but true ,but the are no gates going NORTH!
In my opinion, if you are a serious trophy hunter, you should be hunting in the parts of the country that have the best combination of 1) good cover habitat to allow bucks to reach maturity; and 2) great habitat; which means glaciated soils and a decent portion of the land in agriculture.
If I were a true trophy hunter, I wouldn't be hunting in TN.
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#1936122 - 05/23/10 05:45 PM
Re: World Class Leases in TN
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I spoke with a group of hunters here in KC/Mo. yesterday . One was a dedicated deer hunter and shed hunter. He had a box full of pairs he found this year on public land , many that would go over 150 matched up . I got home and worked in the garden , digging through some very good dark soil . It's in the soil folks.
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#1936355 - 05/23/10 07:42 PM
Re: World Class Leases in TN
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Bryan, You make a valid point about hunters who wish to kill LARGE, MATURE, antlered bucks. You have to hunt where they are at.
In my case, I had to add I had to hunt where they were at that I could AFFORD to hunt.
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#1936410 - 05/23/10 08:05 PM
Re: World Class Leases in TN
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. . . . . It's in the soil folks. It's also interesting to note that most of these places with the "super" soils also have either a 1 or a 2-buck annual limit, and relatively short gun seasons (compared to TN).
The soil is absolutely a big deal. But so are 1 and 2-buck limits, which help to advance buck age structure and reduce antler high-grading.
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#1937140 - 05/24/10 03:07 PM
Re: World Class Leases in TN
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Wes, SPOT-ON! This is where it gets kinda dicey for most hunters in Tennessee. Since I hunt multiple states, I get to see how others apply limits to their seasons. And MOST, do not like strict limitations. ESPECIALLY young hunters. In fact, many loose interest. Is is also a point of interest to me that the states with low antler limits and huge racks tend to have non-resident hunters by the truck loads. At least by my experience. And PUBLIC land hunting is VERY scarce. Locals who are on a blue collar budget are forced to hunt side by side with non-resident hunters because local lease/land prices are way too expensive.
A similar example to this situation might be seen in comparing land access/lease prices in some of the more productive Counties in Tennessee like Williamson where public land is all but extinct.
We in Tennessee have it so good right now. Liberal limits, PLENTY of deer season and PULIC land. And a true RIFLE season.
And to beat all, a hunter might just kill a 170 inch grossing buck once in a while!
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