#1934167 - 05/21/10 11:20 AM
Re: Why don't people believe that it happens??????
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But to answer the original question: "Why don't people believe that it happens?" show me proof. I would feel very comfortable saying there are at least a quarter of a million trail-cameras running in the TN woods each fall. A quarter of a million trail-cameras and not one documented picture of a cougar? If they do exist in TN they would have to be unbelievably rare to not get photographed.
And by no means am I say there is unequivocally no mountain lions in TN. I'm saying there is no current solid evidence (a picture, a body, etc.) for mountain lions existing in TN.
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#1934183 - 05/21/10 11:33 AM
Re: Why don't people believe that it happens??????
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Wes Parrish
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Well, they're certainly being confirmed all around us.
Here's another cougar confirmation coming from Indiana . . . .
http://www.in.gov/portal/news_events/53876.htm
A mountain lion has been confirmed (on May 1, 2010) in a rural part of Greene County east of Bloomfield as a result of a new Department of Natural Resources policy designed to systematically collect data and evaluate reported sightings of such animals.
A mountain lion's presence was verified by Scott Johnson, the DNR's non-game mammal biologist and member of the DNR Division of Fish and Wildlife's team that assists in reviewing reports having credible evidence.
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#1934191 - 05/21/10 11:44 AM
Re: Why don't people believe that it happens??????
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tndrbstr
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I would feel very comfortable saying there are at least a quarter of a million trail-cameras running in the TN woods each fall. A quarter of a million trail-cameras and not one documented picture of a cougar? If they do exist in TN they would have to be unbelievably rare to not get photographed.
Just for the sake of rebutal,..The most ideal topgraphy that could allow a breeding pair to go undetected is in the rugged mountainous regions of eastern tn and western north carolina...there is over 600 thousand acers of remote public land just on the TN side......and I would be surprised if there were 50 cameras being used in the entire place...
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#1934197 - 05/21/10 11:49 AM
Re: Why don't people believe that it happens??????
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I would feel very comfortable saying there are at least a quarter of a million trail-cameras running in the TN woods each fall. A quarter of a million trail-cameras and not one documented picture of a cougar? If they do exist in TN they would have to be unbelievably rare to not get photographed.
Just for the sake of rebutal,..The most ideal topgraphy that could allow a breeding pair to go undetected is in the rugged mountainous regions of eastern tn and western north carolina...there is 600 thousand acers of remote public land just on the TN side....and I would be surprised if there were 50 cameras being used in the entire place...
There aren't many trail cameras (there are some), but there are over 9,000,000 sets of eyes visiting there every year. That coupled with the Parks active ATBI inventory (Searching for and documenting all forms of life) and the fact that they have used many different survey methods directed specifically at mountain lions tells me if they were there, they would have some evidence.
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#1934210 - 05/21/10 12:01 PM
Re: Why don't people believe that it happens??????
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Wes Parrish
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. . . .if they were there, they would have some evidence.
Actually, "they" do.
I suspect they don't want to draw more attention to a the hope of some that the big cats may become established in the Appalachians. "They" are not wanting to prove this existence to anyone (yet).
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#1934215 - 05/21/10 12:06 PM
Re: Why don't people believe that it happens??????
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There aren't many trail cameras (there are some), but there are over 9,000,000 sets of eyes visiting there every year. That coupled with the Parks active ATBI inventory (Searching for and documenting all forms of life) and the fact that they have used many different survey methods directed specifically at mountain lions tells me if they were there, they would have some evidence.
I wasn't even considering the GSMNP, that is not that big of an area when you look at the big picture.....
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#1934300 - 05/21/10 01:14 PM
Re: Why don't people believe that it happens??????
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. . . .if they were there, they would have some evidence. Actually, "they" do. I suspect they don't want to draw more attention to a the hope of some that the big cats may become established in the Appalachians. "They" are not wanting to prove this existence to anyone (yet).
Where is the proof Wes? Im sure many here would like to read into it, where did you see the proof?
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#1934305 - 05/21/10 01:26 PM
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As I have said before I was a non beleiver until last August and then it happened. I actually saw one of the dang things and to this day have a hard time believing it. It just trotted out in front of my truck and stopped in the median on the highway. I wasn't the only one to see it either. The car in the opposite lane stopped as well. It just looked at me for a few seconds and trotted on across the highway. It may have been a pet but it sure was a big cat with a very long tail.
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#1934333 - 05/21/10 02:03 PM
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As I have said before I was a non beleiver until last August and then it happened. I actually saw one of the dang things and to this day have a hard time believing it. It just trotted out in front of my truck and stopped in the median on the highway. I wasn't the only one to see it either. The car in the opposite lane stopped as well. It just looked at me for a few seconds and trotted on across the highway. It may have been a pet but it sure was a big cat with a very long tail.
I have no problem believing you, and its very likely it was a pet, and probably perished soon after, due to no survival skills from being fed all its life. Im with BSK, with as much human activity there is in our wilderness here in TN today, somebody somewhere would have some real proof they exist if they actually did.
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#1934417 - 05/21/10 03:29 PM
Re: Why don't people believe that it happens??????
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I would feel very comfortable saying there are at least a quarter of a million trail-cameras running in the TN woods each fall. A quarter of a million trail-cameras and not one documented picture of a cougar? If they do exist in TN they would have to be unbelievably rare to not get photographed.
Just for the sake of rebutal,..The most ideal topgraphy that could allow a breeding pair to go undetected is in the rugged mountainous regions of eastern tn and western north carolina...there is over 600 thousand acers of remote public land just on the TN side......and I would be surprised if there were 50 cameras being used in the entire place...
I have no argument with that.
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