#1934177 - 05/21/10 11:27 AM
Verdict in----Scent Lok a Scam
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Setterman
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Finally after 3 years the verdict is in, and this settles it for now. Scent-Lok is a scam, I find it amazing that Cabelas and Gander Mtn are going down as well. I would say this will be the end of Scent-Lok, the financial settlements will follow shortly.
I just feel sorry for all the folks who got duped by this marketing scheme.
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Court rules Scent Lok claims are false
Commentary by Dave Henderson
May 19, 2010, 6:10 pm
After three years of presentations and often
rancorous testimony by experts on both sides, the
most contentious internal lawsuit in the history of
hunting industry is over. A judge has ruled that
Scent Lok clothing and others have legally failed a
sniff test and that their claims of odor-eliminating
technology are false.
The argument over the validity of carbon-lined,
scent-blocking garments for hunters has raged for
more than a decade. The industry is largely backed
the manufacturers' claims, largely due to advertising
money from Scent Lok and others.
But last Friday Federal District Court Judge Richard
Kyle of Minnesota ruled that ALS, the manufacturer
of Scent Lok clothing, had falsely claimed that it
products were based on "odor eliminating
technology" or were "odor eliminating clothing."
The word "eliminate" was key in the judge's
decision. Kyle ruled that the word meant "a complete
removal" --claims that were false and misleading
beyond any test of reasonableness.
Kyle's ruling also says that Cabela's and Gander
Mountain -- both of which sell Scent Lok and their
own private-label clothing -- are also guilty of
deceptive advertising.
An injunction barring ALS/Scent Lok, Cabela's and
Gander Mountain from "further deceptive practices"
will be issued. With this ruling, you can expect
other claims against the companies could move to
trial.
The case began in 2007 when six Minnesota
hunters filed suit against ALS and the others,
claiming their odor controlling clothing failed to
perform as advertised.
The suit alleged that the clothing did not eliminate
odor, and could not be "reactivated or regenerated
in a household (clothes) dryer after the clothing has
become saturated with odors".
According to Jim Shephard's on-line "Outdoors
Report," Kyle held that all advertisements that used
the words "odor-eliminating technology," "odor-
eliminating clothing," "eliminates all types of odor,"
"odor elimination," "remove all odor," "complete
scent elimination," "scent-free," "works on 100
percent of your scent 100 percent of the time," "all
human scent," "odor is eradicated," and graphics
demonstrating that human odor cannot escape the
carbon-embedded fabric are all false statements as a
matter of law.
In addition, the Court found claims that the Scent Lok
clothing could be "reactivated" to "like new" or
"pristine" condition to be false as a matter of law.
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#1934182 - 05/21/10 11:32 AM
Re: Verdict in----Scent Lok a Scam
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Never used it myself.
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#1934196 - 05/21/10 11:48 AM
Re: Verdict in----Scent Lok a Scam
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Sounds more like a legal play on words to me.
I believe Scent Lok has been guilty of "over-promoting" their product's scent-reducing ability. Such as one famous hunter's statement in advertising (may have been some other brand of carbon clothing): "Forget the wind. Just hunt."
Does it eliminate human scent? No way.
But a complete "scam"? I don't see it that way.
It reduces the chance of a deer catching your scent.
But to what degree Scent-Loc "may" be "scandalous", it doesn't even come close the over-promotion of attractant and masking scents, i.e. selling an ounce of deer urine for $10 a bottle.
I'd say this verdict will be appealed.
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#1934200 - 05/21/10 11:52 AM
Re: Verdict in----Scent Lok a Scam
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I never used it either..Just seemed like a scam to me..
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#1934209 - 05/21/10 12:00 PM
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I never could afford it but now am glad I did not! I do use the spray that is suppose to eliminate scent...looks like water to me and have wondered how good that stuff really is!
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#1934213 - 05/21/10 12:03 PM
Re: Verdict in----Scent Lok a Scam
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I am guilty of falling for the scam. I knew I had been hoodwinked the first time I farted while wearing it!
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#1934218 - 05/21/10 12:09 PM
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I am guilty of falling for the scam. I knew I had been hoodwinked the first time I farted while wearing it!
Bwuhahahaha......
A "True" test, no doubt.
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#1934233 - 05/21/10 12:27 PM
Re: Verdict in----Scent Lok a Scam
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yep- play on words
hey, netcha they start dropping the price!
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#1934259 - 05/21/10 12:53 PM
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Quite simply, the technology is a scientific impossibility. To reactivate the carbon, it would need to be heated to such a high temperature that it would burn up the clothing. Doesn't work... never has, never will.
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#1934263 - 05/21/10 12:57 PM
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I have never trusted any of the claims that these companies made. Just doesn't pass the "common sense" or "sniff" test to me.
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#1934296 - 05/21/10 01:09 PM
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Yep, its been common knowledge since day one that the carbon could not be reactivated in this use. The military discards theirs after a single use! Some people want to believe anything they think will be the 'magic' trick that makes them succesful. I would have to agree with the Judge, they knew this lawsuit was coming, yet they never backed off from their claims of "total" scent elimination, knowing they were blatantly selling lies to the public!
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#1934433 - 05/21/10 03:44 PM
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String Music
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I bet Scent Blocker is a little scared right now.
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#1934446 - 05/21/10 03:53 PM
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i never believed none of that crap worked anyways and just laughed when i seen people buying it.
yeah the clothes look cool and thats why most people probably bought them. but the prices are outrageous.
holla back scent lok
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#1934761 - 05/21/10 05:55 PM
Re: Verdict in----Scent Lok a Scam
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Nothing eliminates human odor. And you cant beat a coyotes or a deers nose, unless the wind is in your favor. But from what i hear, it works great on turkeys.
Edited by redblood (05/21/10 05:57 PM)
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#1934793 - 05/21/10 07:11 PM
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Wes, the statement "forget the wind just hunt was what riled me! It should more accurately state, Forget the gimmicks, just check wind direction and hunt accordingly! I have never bought the scent lok material because it was over priced. had it been reasonbly priced i would have because i still hunt with the wind but while walking in you always lay down scent and deer especially big bucks catch it! I have witnessed it myself and one thing i have noticed about a buck that is 3 or older his nose never stops processing even if his attention, mouth, tongue or body in general is affixed to other matters. It is really neat to watch this nose processor at work almost secondary to the rest of things....good post!!
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#1934835 - 05/21/10 08:17 PM
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Didn't take a genius to see through that BS in my opinion. About the 37-thousandth time some dude in full head-to-toe scentlok gets busted ON TV I gave up all hope of the believers coming to their senses.
What's the old saying about "A fool and his money..."
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#1934955 - 05/21/10 10:06 PM
Re: Verdict in----Scent Lok a Scam
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Must be why Lee and Tiffany changed the name of their show from "Scent Lok's Getting Close with Lee & Tiffany" to "The Crush with Lee & Tiffany". They must have seen this coming a long time ago. They changed the name of the show nearly 2 years ago.
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#1934975 - 05/21/10 10:24 PM
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If you exhale.......you are busted. Not by bad breath, but by the millions of human scented vapor molecules coming out of your
lungs. Skin flakes and clothing oders spread scent too, but just
breathing is the most detectible scent to an animal that is
looking out for it's life.
Oh yea, the can detect the most threatening vapor scents, with
one of the best noses in the world.
Maybe they need to market a self contained hunting suit similar
to what astronauts wear.
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#1934981 - 05/21/10 10:27 PM
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Some of the best constructed clothing comes only with the 'scent lock/tight/blocker' technology. Now hopefully we'll see the same articles of clothing without the scent-lock premium, but I suspect the retailers will just mark up and sell the top-of -the-line clothing at the scent lock premium price.
As hot as it's gotten during early ml and rifle, I'm doing just fine in my $10 surplus BDU pants and $10 fleece jackets.
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#1935037 - 05/21/10 11:37 PM
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I have used it and it smells alot like the scent sprays that you spray on your clothes to eliminate odors.... Does it work...um I will still wear it since I have killed my best two bucks (11 pt. 135 class) in the mountains of E. TN wearing it. The wind in E. TN will blow in every direction in a days hunt...
Edited by gator-n-buck (05/22/10 08:05 AM)
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#1935069 - 05/22/10 06:53 AM
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why wasnt BPS named in the suit?They sell it,or did
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#1935369 - 05/22/10 04:26 PM
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I've said this before but I still believe it works to a certain degree, now does it completely eliminate your scent, NO! But I think it helps alot I've been wearing it now for the past 5 years and have killed my 2 biggest bucks with it on and my deer sightings have gone through the roof. I can't remember the last time a deer scented me and blew at me!
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#1935376 - 05/22/10 04:49 PM
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Never used it, but thought I would like it.
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#1935565 - 05/22/10 09:23 PM
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as a undeveloped minded deer hunter I used the sprays until last year-- best year,,, it is funny to see people with this stuff on,,, its a placebo ,, a sugar pill,, u beleive ,, combined with a lil luck and right timing and its your best buck... nahh it was just ment to be thats hunting... I have said before marketing is everything,,, you promote it enough and see the PRO STAFF wearing it -- u gotta have it... lying no doubt is wrong however in the end its the gullibles who do not think it through ,, the fault rest with... capitalism a wonderful thing....
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#1936393 - 05/23/10 08:00 PM
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It's a little like camo.... You can kill deer without it but it might help....or you can buy a red & black flannel shirt.. 
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#1936698 - 05/24/10 07:29 AM
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It's a little like camo.... You can kill deer without it but it might help....or you can buy a red & black flannel shirt..
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#1936719 - 05/24/10 07:48 AM
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"Go ahead, break like the wind!" (apologies to Spinal Tap).
We kind of poked fun of the industry before everybody else was laughing.
Scent-Lok. Marketing, it was all marketing. People do it every day. Looks like these guys might have got caught being greedy.
Anybody remember when Nike came out with the shoes with the window in the soles? You could actually "see" the air in there...wow! Did we get our moneys worth or what? Paying for the extra air in the soles, that we could also SEE!
As for Scent-Lok. I used it. When I first got it, it seemed like sometimes it was like the deer smelled a "cold track" they could wind you, but it was like, it was not instant alarm. When I noticed instant alarm, it was time to wash and air out the scent-lok. Probably any insulated bibs woulda worked as well...baking soda and air out. dunno.
All in all like the old timers, that hunted in bib overalls told me, "You'll be suprised how you can hide in the wide open, if you just be still and use the wind." LOL.
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#1937393 - 05/24/10 08:00 PM
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Use the wind, now thats a novel idea! The best advice for a deer hunter and as long as i can remember it was given was,.......pay attention to the wind and hunt accordingly. Frances E. Sell would even give long dissertations on thermal currents etc etc....all i remember about them was two things. In the morning they rise with the warming sun, in the evening they fall with the setting suns lower angle and therfore in the morn you should be set up higher with calmer conditions and in the evening set up lower with the falling thermals....a little complicated for me in some situations....but i always hunt with the wind in my favor....period.
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#1937975 - 05/25/10 09:41 AM
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My grandfather was Cherokee. Wise and an elder at the resevation.
He did not live to be 99 by being unwilling to learn. And to teach others was his passion. So I will share what he taught me.
Find the forage the deer are eating in the area you are hunting. Gather it, plants let it dry. Nuts acorns save until a week be for the season.
Take you gatherings and simmer them in an old covered pot kind let it cook down. Until you can see to natural oils seperating. Reserve the liquid. Place the gathering in an old Nylon stocking
prior to your hunt wash your clothing with the gathering sack allow to air dry. You will smell yummy.
The liquid you can mix with water and put in a spray bottle and freshen up with.
Also go to other areas not remotely close to your area, find beds gather dirt from them and save in zip lock bags. Rubs scrapes, etc. and do the same. A deer in rut or not, will not stand for a unfamilar deer in his area. And will investigate it instanly. So place the gatherings 20 to 50 yard from where your primary stands or blinds will be.
Also fresh take cedar branch cuttings on windy days.
Very low cost and a few trips to the woods, better than honey do's or a good use for a sick day a work!
Good luck
Edited by Mountian Man_TN (05/25/10 09:44 AM)
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#1937989 - 05/25/10 09:47 AM
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Interesting.
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#1938585 - 05/25/10 07:59 PM
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I have tried to hunt the wind in E. TN only to find out that it will blow in four different directions in a 4 hour period... Hunting the wind sounds like a great plan until it starts blowing through the mountains of E. TN
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#1940191 - 05/26/10 11:33 PM
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Man... I just ordered and received from Cabelas a couple months ago... SCENTLOK... 2 pair of coveralls, one pair bibbs, and one rain coat (on sale). I have used this stuff for approx. 8 yrs. I don't know if it works or I have become a better hunter over the yrs. I have had good look and had deer down wind from me that didn't pick me up.. I had two does and one yeerling hang around me for approx. an hour down wind and never picked me up. I also use cover scents so I don't know if that played a factor.. I'm a scent nut and go to extremes... Spruce needles in my bag that contains my hunting clothes.. I don't want to here hunt the wind considering I hunt the mountains of E. TN were the winds will blow in several directions during a four hr. period.
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#1940305 - 05/27/10 07:45 AM
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I don't want to here hunt the wind considering I hunt the mountains of E. TN were the winds will blow in several directions during a four hr. period.
GNB, this is where stand site selection comes into play. Wind speed can be just as important as direction in some areas, Example, a bench on the side of a ridge, with a prevailing wind that would blow DOWN the hill. I have some such stands that with enough velocity, the wind never hits until it reaches the near bottom of the hollow, hence allowing me to hunt the bench without detection, even with a so called bad wind. Hunting the wind is much more complext than just its direction!
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#1940414 - 05/27/10 09:23 AM
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I don't want to here hunt the wind considering I hunt the mountains of E. TN were the winds will blow in several directions during a four hr. period. GNB, this is where stand site selection comes into play. Wind speed can be just as important as direction in some areas, Example, a bench on the side of a ridge, with a prevailing wind that would blow DOWN the hill. I have some such stands that with enough velocity, the wind never hits until it reaches the near bottom of the hollow, hence allowing me to hunt the bench without detection, even with a so called bad wind. Hunting the wind is much more complext than just its direction!
That's one reason I hunt high when on the side of ridges. I'm sure it doesn't help that I hunt near an area called "WIND ROCK". The weather will be calling for calm winds in the area but it always seems to blow up there...
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#1940507 - 05/27/10 10:15 AM
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Loc: TN
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I don't want to here hunt the wind considering I hunt the mountains of E. TN were the winds will blow in several directions during a four hr. period. GNB, this is where stand site selection comes into play. Wind speed can be just as important as direction in some areas, Example, a bench on the side of a ridge, with a prevailing wind that would blow DOWN the hill. I have some such stands that with enough velocity, the wind never hits until it reaches the near bottom of the hollow, hence allowing me to hunt the bench without detection, even with a so called bad wind. Hunting the wind is much more complext than just its direction! That's one reason I hunt high when on the side of ridges. I'm sure it doesn't help that I hunt near an area called "WIND ROCK". The weather will be calling for calm winds in the area but it always seems to blow up there...
I hear ya GNB, the wind is most always blowing up on those mtns. I hunt that general area (Gobey, new river, brimstone) quite a bit myself and it can be a task for sure.
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No deer for miles around after that! 
