#1902264 - 04/27/10 08:12 PM
Re: People that never harvest does!
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TNRAMBLINGMAN
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I simply cannot kick myself out of bed at 3:30 a.m. anymore to shoot a buck whose horns are not coming in the house to admire permanently. Forget the score. Two kinds of deer exist--garage deer and wall deer. No tape or rackulator or Boom and Rocket scorer is needed. If you like it and mount it on even a simple plaque and you can see it from your recliner year after year it is a trophy. If the rack ain't in the house, why did you shoot it and where is it now? Garage? Did you ... throw it away? Did you boil the rack and try to make stew? Somewhere out there are people who passed up the only two TN bucks I have in my house. I THANK YOU you for not whacking my trophies when they were younger deer. I returned the favor last year and passed up at least 6 nice bucks that hopefully will be a wall deer for somebody someday.
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#1902746 - 04/28/10 07:42 AM
Re: People that never harvest does!
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BSK
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...but I would fully support the earn a buck program & to encourage the harvest of more does and being more selective on older bucks. I would too, if that were needed. However, in much of Unit L, under the current regulations, doe harvests are adequate (45+% of the harvest is female), the sex ratio is adequate and buck age structure is constantly improving. But again, if it were biologically necessary, I would support many other options. in that 45+% of females that are harvested out of the total harvest number is that including "antlerless" males shot in that female percentage too?????????
Females only.
This is the average percent females in the harvest over the last three years:
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#1903119 - 04/28/10 12:29 PM
Re: People that never harvest does!
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plasticman
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Registered: 09/02/09
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Loc: Sparta Tn.
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I agree with the Tnramblingman. I am a hunter who has evolved into the kind that will pass up small bucks in hopes that a mature buck of a life time could be around the corner. I have taken my share of spikes, four pointers etc. But in the end I think every hunter deep down wants to kill a trophy! You say every small deer you kill is a trophy for you, Well is it in the house or the garage? This is not about your rights to kill whatever you want to, its about not having the patients to pass up a small buck in hopes that he can live long enough to mature into whatever mother nature decides he can be. If you kill him as a baby, you will never know what he could have been. Your just fooling yourself if you really believe that you a re happy with a spike or a four point. I used to be the same guy year after year. I guess its a sign of personal maturity when you become board with just killing a small buck. You really are missing the thrill of going into a mature bucks territory and hunting him on his terms. Weather you kill him or not doesn't matter, its all about the the hunt!!!
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#1903138 - 04/28/10 12:40 PM
Re: People that never harvest does!
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tndrbstr
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Well I have matured so far as to not feel the need or want to kill any more mature deer at all...I am gonna start killing only the smaller young ones from now on. They eat better, drag easier and are a lot lighter to load into the pick up truck..I am going to start passing on all the mature deer so the head hunters will have more to chase.. 
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#1903176 - 04/28/10 01:10 PM
Re: People that never harvest does!
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Right_Tackle74
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Registered: 10/12/09
Posts: 294
Loc: Loudon, TN, USA
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I've started hunting in 1995. I've killed less than 10 bucks. However 3 of them are to big 8 pointers and a 16 pointer. They are all mounted, but I also have a 3 pointer mounted and he means as much to me as the 3 big ones. I've earned all of them and thank God for each one.
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#1903221 - 04/28/10 02:12 PM
Re: People that never harvest does!
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Football Hunter
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Registered: 10/22/07
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Loc: Wilson Co/Perry Co
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I've started hunting in 1995. I've killed less than 10 bucks. However 3 of them are to big 8 pointers and a 16 pointer. They are all mounted, but I also have a 3 pointer mounted and he means as much to me as the 3 big ones. I've earned all of them and thank God for each one.
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#1903437 - 04/28/10 04:35 PM
Re: People that never harvest does!
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BSK
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Loc: Nashville, TN
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I agree with the Tnramblingman. I am a hunter who has evolved into the kind that will pass up small bucks in hopes that a mature buck of a life time could be around the corner. I have taken my share of spikes, four pointers etc. But in the end I think every hunter deep down wants to kill a trophy! You say every small deer you kill is a trophy for you, Well is it in the house or the garage? This is not about your rights to kill whatever you want to, its about not having the patients to pass up a small buck in hopes that he can live long enough to mature into whatever mother nature decides he can be. If you kill him as a baby, you will never know what he could have been. Your just fooling yourself if you really believe that you a re happy with a spike or a four point. I used to be the same guy year after year. I guess its a sign of personal maturity when you become board with just killing a small buck. You really are missing the thrill of going into a mature bucks territory and hunting him on his terms. Weather you kill him or not doesn't matter, its all about the the hunt!!!
And that right there is the major problem. And that goes for every aspect of life. Too many people believe that what motivates them actually does or should motivate everyone.
Big buck hunters simply refuse to believe that big bucks are not the prime motivation--the ultimate goal--of every hunter. Big buck hunters are so obsessed with that particular goal that they just can't see how any other legitimate motivation could exist.
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"There is no reasoning someone out of a position he has not reasoned himself into." --Clive James
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#1903899 - 04/28/10 08:40 PM
Re: People that never harvest does!
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TNRAMBLINGMAN
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Loc: Nashville, TN
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Offhand, I really don't know how many immature bucks I have killed, most many years ago. They still come by and I scope them, it is exciting--and I sit back down in the stand and watch the sunrise or sunset. But I shoot does if I want meat, or the herd needs thinning because a doe tastes a lot better than a rutting buck. So now I would rather kill a trophy buck or no buck at all. I would not trade killing 100 small TN bucks for just one glimpse of a mature big buck. And that somehow means I am evil? I don't think so. In fact, I love to take kids hunting and watch them take their first or second or third buck of whatever size. But there is no reason for anyone to suggest that people who enjoy hunting big bucks are weird or or that we are trying to put other people down. All of us are motivated to hunt and be outside and enjoy nature. But plasticman raises a question no one will answer: what are all of the experienced hunters who just must simply kill every little buck that walks by doing with all of these horns? Are your houses and dens and kitckens full of all the bucks you have taken? Even all those smaller ones? I bet we all have our first buck's horns. What about the 51st one? Or the 101st one? If you don't have the racks and don't keep the racks, please tell me why you shot the deer that had the rack in the first place. I just want to know. Where are the racks? My trophy system involves no scoring. If I bring it in the house it was and is a trophy. I have been to a lot of hunters houses and you just don't see very many three pointers, unless basketball is on TV. Is anybody going to step up and admit you just throw the small racks away?
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#1904037 - 04/28/10 09:18 PM
Re: People that never harvest does!
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BowGirl
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Registered: 07/20/09
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Loc: Tennessee
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Tnrambingman and plasticman great post.
Deer hunter managers go away.
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#1904134 - 04/28/10 10:13 PM
Re: People that never harvest does!
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RKenney
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Loc: Maury Co.
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I killed my first buck and deer in 1970. It was a average six
pointer. I was very proud of it and it is on my wall...as I write
this. I killed many baby bucks in the years after my first, but I
don't anymore. That is because it is my choice not to do so. I
still have every rack of every buck I ever killed.
To me, I don't get much out of killing a roaming juvenile buck
anymore. When I decided not to kill them, I was shocked at what
came along.
160" droptine....140" thick rack....and a few over 100 inches.
I watched a 6 pointer that was really nervous, before the 160
showed up. Go back 10 or 15 years, and the 160 would have never
been seen.
Young bucks, I have learned, can be the key to a "TROPHY". Oh
yea, those does do eat good.
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