#1902393 - 04/27/10 09:19 PM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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RKenney
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A high fenced area, with enough acres, does not make it easier
to kill a deer. Heck, a deer is like a giant rabbit. With the
proper cover, a deer (especially a mature deer) can elude a
human hunter in 5 acres...or less.
I guess the only advantage of a high fence, would be to control
your property. Even with the fence, I can think of some major
problems, and they are not all biological.
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#1902611 - 04/28/10 05:53 AM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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It just seems to me that when you fence them in, the game is being seperated from the state as a whole, which then the enclosed area should managed differently from the state. These animals are no longer part of the state and they are not being manipulated by the state regulations.
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#1902622 - 04/28/10 06:08 AM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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Beekeeper
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Food for thought:
The person owning the property has every right to do what he wants to with that property. IMO
White tailed Deer are the property of the state and are regulated by the state.
If a person confines White tailed Deer in an area by any means would this be misappropriation of a state owned resource and shouldn’t they have permission from the state before doing so?
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#1902734 - 04/28/10 07:36 AM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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tndrbstr
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No,...A person ought to be able to do what ever they want to with and on thier own property...at least within acceptable environmental, social and legal boundries...imo classic example of begging the question  ,......Not to sound ignorant but apparently I am, how is that? I'm just giving you a hard time.....the person raising the question framed it terms of environmental/ecological concerns. You answered negatively, saying people should be able to do whatever they want on their property ....but then qualified that answer by indicating they could only do whatever they want as long as they are within acceptable environmental boundaries. So your qualification and the orginal issue are the same, and that leaves the question unanswered.
I thought I answered the question with the FIRST word of my post!.. 
And I don't mean from an ethical stand point. Something just doesn't seem right about enclosing a porting of the wildlife where they can't rome about?
I understand that you still have to follow state regulations, but those regulations don't benefit the surrounding properties.
I don't know. It was just a thought I was having before I go to work.
I don't really see any where in the original post where there is any implication that it is framed within the context of environmental or economical reasoning..the first underlined referance, it looks to me for one reason or the other, that it just doesn't feel right to ghosthunter in his gut.
In the second referance I am not really sure what ghosthunter meant. maybe you can shed some light on the enviornmental/ecological impacts that following state game regulations in a high fence property has on the surrounding property's following the same regulations. Maybe I just didn't grasp the correct intent of his query. It wouldn't be the first time..
This was my comment....
(at least within acceptable environmental, social and legal boundries)
What I meant was that even tho some one owns a property and should be able to do with it as they wish, that some (few) circumstances should take consideration over a property owners desires...and IMO, most of those considerations are going to be framed within the context of acceptable environmental, social, or legal boundries....
Should somebody be able to put a fence around there property if they want to?..
...imo YES, if thats what they want to do....
so long as it doesn't interefer with any air traffic!...
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#1902764 - 04/28/10 07:55 AM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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Food for thought:
The person owning the property has every right to do what he wants to with that property. IMO
White tailed Deer are the property of the state and are regulated by the state.
If a person confines White tailed Deer in an area by any means would this be misappropriation of a state owned resource and shouldn’t they have permission from the state before doing so?
Beekeeper,
In some states, that's exactly how it works. A landowner wanting to high-fence their property has to either pay the state for the deer trapped behind the fence (number and price determined by the state) or remove all deer from the property before the fence is finished. The landowner must then purchase deer from a breeder to restock his land.
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#1902842 - 04/28/10 08:52 AM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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Food for thought:
The person owning the property has every right to do what he wants to with that property. IMO
White tailed Deer are the property of the state and are regulated by the state.
If a person confines White tailed Deer in an area by any means would this be misappropriation of a state owned resource and shouldn’t they have permission from the state before doing so?
Beekeeper, In some states, that's exactly how it works. A landowner wanting to high-fence their property has to either pay the state for the deer trapped behind the fence (number and price determined by the state) or remove all deer from the property before the fence is finished. The landowner must then purchase deer from a breeder to restock his land.
Pretty ridiculous IMO. If I own the property and decide to fence it, whatever game is utilizing my land at the time, will become my property when I pay for the fence! Why in the world would I pay the state for the animals living off MY land?
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#1902909 - 04/28/10 09:28 AM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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If the animals are state property, can I sue for damage done by squirels in my attic, rabbits in my garden, etc...
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#1902959 - 04/28/10 10:07 AM
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Beekeeper
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If the animals are state property, can I sue for damage done by squirels in my attic, rabbits in my garden, etc...
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#1903085 - 04/28/10 11:59 AM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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Beekeeper,
In some states, that's exactly how it works. A landowner wanting to high-fence their property has to either pay the state for the deer trapped behind the fence (number and price determined by the state) or remove all deer from the property before the fence is finished. The landowner must then purchase deer from a breeder to restock his land.
Pretty ridiculous IMO. If I own the property and decide to fence it, whatever game is utilizing my land at the time, will become my property when I pay for the fence! Why in the world would I pay the state for the animals living off MY land?
Because you don't own the deer. I do, and Beekeeper does, and Richman does... We The People of Tennessee own the wildlife collectively. Just because a deer eats off your land doesn't mean you own the deer.
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#1903095 - 04/28/10 12:05 PM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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