#1900731 - 04/27/10 06:19 AM
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And I don't mean from an ethical stand point. Something just doesn't seem right about enclosing a porting of the wildlife where they can't rome about? I understand that you still have to follow state regulations, but those regulations don't benefit the surrounding properties. I don't know. It was just a thought I was having before I go to work.
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#1900819 - 04/27/10 07:05 AM
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No,...A person ought to be able to do what ever they want to with and on thier own property...at least within acceptable environmental, social and legal boundries...imo
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#1900834 - 04/27/10 07:10 AM
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Not for me but, if its someones private property and they want to build a fence around it to keep something in or out, they follow game laws, it doesnt concern me.
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#1900835 - 04/27/10 07:11 AM
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No, for same reason as tndrbstr.
Would I ever do it or hunt on it...no
Just my personal choice.
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#1900842 - 04/27/10 07:14 AM
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Not for me but, if its someones private property and they want to build a fence around it to keep something in or out, they follow game laws, it doesnt concern me.
Yep, I would never hunt an enclosed area, but what other hunters do, as long as its in the law does not concern me at all.
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#1900881 - 04/27/10 07:30 AM
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#1900896 - 04/27/10 07:40 AM
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It wouldn't matter to me either way.
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#1900925 - 04/27/10 07:59 AM
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NO!!! more government regulations on what you can do on your own property.
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#1900955 - 04/27/10 08:12 AM
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I have no desire to hunt behind a high fence but we have too many things illegal now.
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#1901166 - 04/27/10 10:20 AM
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No,...A person ought to be able to do what ever they want to with and on thier own property...at least within acceptable environmental, social and legal boundries...imo
classic example of begging the question
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#1901171 - 04/27/10 10:23 AM
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#1901187 - 04/27/10 10:29 AM
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No, to each his own! I dont like them but I dont condemn those who do.
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#1901312 - 04/27/10 11:48 AM
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If its there property, they should be able to do what they want to do
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#1901330 - 04/27/10 11:58 AM
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No,...A person ought to be able to do what ever they want to with and on thier own property...at least within acceptable environmental, social and legal boundries...imo classic example of begging the question
,......Not to sound ignorant but apparently I am, how is that?
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#1901405 - 04/27/10 12:59 PM
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One of the reasons we now have feral hogs problems in our area(excaping from high fenced pay hunt areas).
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#1901479 - 04/27/10 02:27 PM
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No,...A person ought to be able to do what ever they want to with and on thier own property...at least within acceptable environmental, social and legal boundries...imo classic example of begging the question  ,......Not to sound ignorant but apparently I am, how is that?
I'm just giving you a hard time.....the person raising the question framed it terms of environmental/ecological concerns. You answered negatively, saying people should be able to do whatever they want on their property ....but then qualified that answer by indicating they could only do whatever they want as long as they are within acceptable environmental boundaries. So your qualification and the orginal issue are the same, and that leaves the question unanswered.
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#1901506 - 04/27/10 02:47 PM
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#1901657 - 04/27/10 03:54 PM
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I hunted a high fence area in middle TN for 2 years, to help with some "cull bucks", they had the herd getting too big. It was over 1,500 acres, it was not shooting fish in a barrel, if the wind changed they were gone in a heart beat. I had to pass on 10 point deer or better, it wasn't over feeders either.
It was his land, his right, the owner didn't even deer hunt! He had the land fenced to keep out all of the Coon Hunters, 4 wheelers, and illegal deer hunters. He is a big time quail hunter, had to allow the deer hunting because of over population.
Some times I wish I had all of mine fenced that way to keep out the refuge and road hunters
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#1901684 - 04/27/10 03:57 PM
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From my stand point...I have hunted a High Fenced area and to be honest I never saw the fence for 5 days. This Texas ranch ran a high class outfit IMO. We changed stands everyday and never once saw the fence. Now I know this was a large ranch but still a High Fence hunting area. The deer didn't seem to mind and from where I was sitting I didn't mind...170 class wide rack. So with all the debit about this subject...to each there own...
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#1902321 - 04/27/10 08:47 PM
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If its there property, they should be able to do what they want to do Well, if that were the case, then wouldn't you agree that they should be able to kill everything on their property if they feel like it? Even if it means exceeding state limits? It's their property.
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#1902393 - 04/27/10 09:19 PM
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A high fenced area, with enough acres, does not make it easier to kill a deer. Heck, a deer is like a giant rabbit. With the proper cover, a deer (especially a mature deer) can elude a human hunter in 5 acres...or less.
I guess the only advantage of a high fence, would be to control your property. Even with the fence, I can think of some major problems, and they are not all biological.
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#1902611 - 04/28/10 05:53 AM
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It just seems to me that when you fence them in, the game is being seperated from the state as a whole, which then the enclosed area should managed differently from the state. These animals are no longer part of the state and they are not being manipulated by the state regulations.
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#1902622 - 04/28/10 06:08 AM
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Food for thought:
The person owning the property has every right to do what he wants to with that property. IMO
White tailed Deer are the property of the state and are regulated by the state.
If a person confines White tailed Deer in an area by any means would this be misappropriation of a state owned resource and shouldn’t they have permission from the state before doing so?
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#1902734 - 04/28/10 07:36 AM
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No,...A person ought to be able to do what ever they want to with and on thier own property...at least within acceptable environmental, social and legal boundries...imo classic example of begging the question  ,......Not to sound ignorant but apparently I am, how is that? I'm just giving you a hard time.....the person raising the question framed it terms of environmental/ecological concerns. You answered negatively, saying people should be able to do whatever they want on their property ....but then qualified that answer by indicating they could only do whatever they want as long as they are within acceptable environmental boundaries. So your qualification and the orginal issue are the same, and that leaves the question unanswered. I thought I answered the question with the FIRST word of my post!.. 
And I don't mean from an ethical stand point. Something just doesn't seem right about enclosing a porting of the wildlife where they can't rome about?
I understand that you still have to follow state regulations, but those regulations don't benefit the surrounding properties. I don't know. It was just a thought I was having before I go to work.
I don't really see any where in the original post where there is any implication that it is framed within the context of environmental or economical reasoning..the first underlined referance, it looks to me for one reason or the other, that it just doesn't feel right to ghosthunter in his gut.
In the second referance I am not really sure what ghosthunter meant. maybe you can shed some light on the enviornmental/ecological impacts that following state game regulations in a high fence property has on the surrounding property's following the same regulations. Maybe I just didn't grasp the correct intent of his query. It wouldn't be the first time..
This was my comment....
(at least within acceptable environmental, social and legal boundries)
What I meant was that even tho some one owns a property and should be able to do with it as they wish, that some (few) circumstances should take consideration over a property owners desires...and IMO, most of those considerations are going to be framed within the context of acceptable environmental, social, or legal boundries....
Should somebody be able to put a fence around there property if they want to?.. ...imo YES, if thats what they want to do.... so long as it doesn't interefer with any air traffic!... 
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#1902764 - 04/28/10 07:55 AM
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Food for thought:
The person owning the property has every right to do what he wants to with that property. IMO
White tailed Deer are the property of the state and are regulated by the state.
If a person confines White tailed Deer in an area by any means would this be misappropriation of a state owned resource and shouldn’t they have permission from the state before doing so?
Beekeeper,
In some states, that's exactly how it works. A landowner wanting to high-fence their property has to either pay the state for the deer trapped behind the fence (number and price determined by the state) or remove all deer from the property before the fence is finished. The landowner must then purchase deer from a breeder to restock his land.
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#1902842 - 04/28/10 08:52 AM
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Food for thought:
The person owning the property has every right to do what he wants to with that property. IMO
White tailed Deer are the property of the state and are regulated by the state.
If a person confines White tailed Deer in an area by any means would this be misappropriation of a state owned resource and shouldn’t they have permission from the state before doing so? Beekeeper, In some states, that's exactly how it works. A landowner wanting to high-fence their property has to either pay the state for the deer trapped behind the fence (number and price determined by the state) or remove all deer from the property before the fence is finished. The landowner must then purchase deer from a breeder to restock his land. Pretty ridiculous IMO. If I own the property and decide to fence it, whatever game is utilizing my land at the time, will become my property when I pay for the fence! Why in the world would I pay the state for the animals living off MY land?
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#1902909 - 04/28/10 09:28 AM
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If the animals are state property, can I sue for damage done by squirels in my attic, rabbits in my garden, etc...
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#1902959 - 04/28/10 10:07 AM
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If the animals are state property, can I sue for damage done by squirels in my attic, rabbits in my garden, etc... You can sue anyone for anything. Winning the case is another matter entirely!!!!
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#1903085 - 04/28/10 11:59 AM
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Beekeeper,
In some states, that's exactly how it works. A landowner wanting to high-fence their property has to either pay the state for the deer trapped behind the fence (number and price determined by the state) or remove all deer from the property before the fence is finished. The landowner must then purchase deer from a breeder to restock his land.
Pretty ridiculous IMO. If I own the property and decide to fence it, whatever game is utilizing my land at the time, will become my property when I pay for the fence! Why in the world would I pay the state for the animals living off MY land?
Because you don't own the deer. I do, and Beekeeper does, and Richman does... We The People of Tennessee own the wildlife collectively. Just because a deer eats off your land doesn't mean you own the deer.
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#1903095 - 04/28/10 12:05 PM
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#1903344 - 04/28/10 03:41 PM
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If a person wants to on there land than so be it, but I would personally never hunt on one.
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#1903364 - 04/28/10 03:53 PM
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No but I think the person that does it should have to reimberse the state for ever single animal that is trapped inside when the final gate is closed. They can buy their own deer but should not be allowed to trap "public" animals and prevent them from being available to the "public".
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#1903439 - 04/28/10 04:39 PM
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No but I think the person that does it should have to reimberse the state for ever single animal that is trapped inside when the final gate is closed. They can buy their own deer but should not be allowed to trap "public" animals and prevent them from being available to the "public".
Honestly, I think that's fair. Yes, a landowner should have the right to high-fence their property, but I question their right to permanently trap a public resource.
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#1903495 - 04/28/10 05:35 PM
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No, but they should have to pay a lease to the TWRA for the deer they're enclosing in it unless they ran all the deer out of it first. I mean, for people that want to "grow" deer they should have to buy their own. Farmers have to buy their own seed to grow the "products" they aim to sell so these "deer growers" should have to buy their own deer to grow to a certain size and sell.
Heck, you can't enclose a Tennessee deer and expect it to grow big anyway because Tennessee deer don't get big. They'd have to buy their deer from Kentucky.......just a thought 
Similar posts have been made.....Sorry I didn't read all them before posting. 
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#1904817 - 04/29/10 12:41 PM
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No. I have hunted two high fence areas in two states and one area I have been to on 3 occasions. It is definately not as easy as some think, but it does depend on the size of the area. I wouldn't want to go hunt a 40 or 50 acre enclosure, but say its 750 acres and up and most hunts are 3 to 5 days, its not as easy as it seems especially when looking for a certain size buck.In the area that I've hunted 3 times the deer are very slick, if they get downwind you're busted, you move at the wrong time you're busted, etc. I have been on a 3 day hunt and was unable to get a shot at a buck so its not just pick one out. Some of these areas may be very different than what I've experienced and I'm sure they are. I think the reason more big bucks are taken in these areas as compared to a similar size public or private area is mainly because its a controlled area, but there are simply more big bucks available per size of area, not that they are just dumb and easy to kill.
Do you really think the deer knows what side of the fence he's on ? If they sense danger they react they still have their senses. Also when you book a hunt usually a year in advance you still have to deal with the weather and guess what? when its hotter than usual or pouring down rain those easy to kill, pick one out fenced in bucks don't move much either .
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#1905111 - 04/29/10 04:31 PM
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highfences dont bother me one bit as long as they are thousands of acres. Now a 200 acres high fence property just doesnt rub me the right way!I actually hunt a 3000 acre highfence property and the deer there are every bit a skiddish as any free roaming deer i have ever seen!To each his own!
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#1905171 - 04/29/10 06:13 PM
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No but I think the person that does it should have to reimberse the state for ever single animal that is trapped inside when the final gate is closed. They can buy their own deer but should not be allowed to trap "public" animals and prevent them from being available to the "public". Honestly, I think that's fair. Yes, a landowner should have the right to high-fence their property, but I question their right to permanently trap a public resource. How much are deer "worth" ?
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#1905544 - 04/29/10 09:19 PM
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I can't imagine what it would cost to high fence a property of 1,000 or more acers and maintain it. I guess with that many miles of fence, areas on both sides would have to be cleared regularly just like a power right of way.
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#1905663 - 04/29/10 09:54 PM
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The number of hunters per year and the number at one time that hunt a high fence area matters also the same as it does everywhere else. The area I have hunted, one year I was the only hunter on the area while I was there, another year it was me and 1 other guy, and the most at one time since I've hunted this place was 3 ( me and 2 others ). The area I hunt is a little over 800 acres so 1 -3 people at one time still leaves the deer plenty of places to hide.
As far as the cost of the fence I would think that would be scary. In addition to clearing the sides near the fence you would also have to do regular perimeter checks especially after heavy rains and high winds.
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#1905725 - 04/29/10 11:01 PM
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If the state / country says its legal than so be it. I, myself believe in 100% wild - 100% fair chase. No high fence no matter how large the farm / ranch is. Also in my opinion if a record book animal is harvested in a high fenced area no matter what the size of the for property it should not be eligible for the books.
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#1905800 - 04/30/10 06:02 AM
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For all those out there that think, "it's my land, I should be able to do whatever I want to with it," I understand your point of view. But, you already can't do what you want to do on your land, or should I say that you have restrictions as to what you can do on your property. For example, you can't dump oil on your land. Why not? Well, it could potentially affect the water in the ground. Do you see where I'm going with this? I never meant anything ethical when I first asked the question, but more like what BSK said, " I question the right to enclose a public resource,".
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#1905881 - 04/30/10 07:08 AM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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The number of hunters per year and the number at one time that hunt a high fence area matters also the same as it does everywhere else. The area I have hunted, one year I was the only hunter on the area while I was there, another year it was me and 1 other guy, and the most at one time since I've hunted this place was 3 ( me and 2 others ). The area I hunt is a little over 800 acres so 1 -3 people at one time still leaves the deer plenty of places to hide.
As far as the cost of the fence I would think that would be scary. In addition to clearing the sides near the fence you would also have to do regular perimeter checks especially after heavy rains and high winds. Now see, thats what I don't understand...from one to three people hunting it a year. How does that even begin to cover the cost of the fence and maintanance?...where is the return in the investment?...that just doesn't make sense to me unless somebody just has the money to piss away... 
I guess I wasn't real clear by what I meant. It was 1- 3 hunters while I was there hunting each time which was a 3 -5 day period each year. I'm not exactly sure on the total number of hunters each year , but I think it is usually around 25 -30 hunters per year with no more than 4 or 5 at one time depending on the size of your group.
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#1905893 - 04/30/10 07:39 AM
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BC chaser I think why some folks get the preception its like shooting fish ini a barrel if the deer aren't moving its a fairly common practice to push them from cover and they have no way to escape.
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#1905947 - 04/30/10 08:19 AM
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I'm sure its a safety issue for other hunters and the People driving deer if applicable. Could you imagine paying 5k and having other hunters walking around messing your hunt up.
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#1906645 - 04/30/10 08:17 PM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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BC chaser I think why some folks get the preception its like shooting fish ini a barrel if the deer aren't moving its a fairly common practice to push them from cover and they have no way to escape.
I can kinda see that. However if you have an 800 acre area thats not crossed fenced, but 1 solid 800 acre area that is say 75 -80 percent woods and you have say 3 - 5 drivers you can still have a very hard time trying to drive deer because the deer can simply circle back or go to an area where the hunter isn't.
On top of that on these hunts you are looking for a certain size buck and only as little as 10 inches of horn difference can cost you a good chunk of money. So say you drive a buck towards the hunter, now while the buck is on the move you have to try and judge this deer within a few inches and be able to make a good shot cause on most of these hunts if you draw blood you're paying. Also there is no guarantee that you could drive the exact size buck the hunter is looking for to him/her . A deer, yeah but say a 180 inch deer driven to within a fairly close distance and giving enough time to judge and shoot isn't too easy.
I'm not saying that a drive wouldn't work just that its not as easy as it sounds. Also some people that judge these types of hunts have never been on one and IMO its hard to be able to accurately judge something you haven't been part of ( not saying you have or haven't or you in particular ). As I said earlier a couple of years ago I hunted a high fence area for 3 days and came home without a buck because I didn't see the size I was looking for. Could I have killed a buck, yes just not what I wanted ( which is just like hunting anywhere else ).
I'm not trying to say these type hunts compare with hunting heavely hunted public land by any means, but that they are not slamdunk, pick one out and lets go home type hunts ( usually ).
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#1906699 - 04/30/10 09:07 PM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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Im sure its not a slam dunk. As long as you enjoy it thats all that really matters. BTW Those bucks you posted are awesome in or outside a fence. Congrats.
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#1907830 - 05/01/10 09:00 PM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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Thanks and I agree that everybody should do whatever they enjoy thats legal. Of all the deer that I have posted these are the only 2 that came from inside a fence, all the others were 100 % wild and " fair chase ".

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#1907944 - 05/01/10 10:06 PM
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There's been tons of hunters that's hunted at FT Campbell, who hunted in a "high fence Area" without ever thinking about it, Clarksville Base, open only to bow hunting had 7 different fences around it. were the assembled the Nuke's during WW II. I know several who say they would never hunt one, but they hunted it, lot's of them deer were entered in P&Y, wondered if they really counted? bowriter, I sure you hunted at FT C, did you every hunt the Base? Something to think about.
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#1907980 - 05/01/10 11:02 PM
Re: Should High Fences be Illegal?
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some of the areas at oak ridge are fenced.
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#1908072 - 05/02/10 06:42 AM
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There's been tons of hunters that's hunted at FT Campbell, who hunted in a "high fence Area" without ever thinking about it, Clarksville Base, open only to bow hunting had 7 different fences around it. were the assembled the Nuke's during WW II. I know several who say they would never hunt one, but they hunted it, lot's of them deer were entered in P&Y, wondered if they really counted? bowriter, I sure you hunted at FT C, did you every hunt the Base? Something to think about.
good point. Most hnters say they won't but like you said they may have but will justify it some how.
I would bet at least half the guys that say they wouldn't if a hunting celebrity called them and asked them to come hunt with them for tv they would do it in a heart beat.
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#1908078 - 05/02/10 07:13 AM
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There's been tons of hunters that's hunted at FT Campbell, who hunted in a "high fence Area" without ever thinking about it, Clarksville Base, open only to bow hunting had 7 different fences around it. were the assembled the Nuke's during WW II. I know several who say they would never hunt one, but they hunted it, lot's of them deer were entered in P&Y, wondered if they really counted? bowriter, I sure you hunted at FT C, did you every hunt the Base? Something to think about. good point. Most hnters say they won't but like you said they may have but will justify it some how. I would bet at least half the guys that say they wouldn't if a hunting celebrity called them and asked them to come hunt with them for tv they would do it in a heart beat.
Very good point...Most Military Bases are high fence. I for one have to say that military bases are some of the best keep secrets. If a person has never hunted a high fence area how are they justified in knocking it? Hunting is still about choice...thank God...
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#1908342 - 05/02/10 11:14 AM
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Clarksville base is enclosed Ft Campbell isn't. I try not to say never it just doesn't seem like something that would interest me but, never I can't say that.
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#1909240 - 05/02/10 09:24 PM
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Clarksville Base, know has holes cut in the fences to allow game to come and go from that area. I think the area around Clinton Lake Power Plant in Illinois has a fence around it too.
The key that I see is when you say "high fence" people think of pay hunts and everyone kills a monster buck, but when you can go hunt these area's it gives you a different look at it.
P&Y and B&C use to allow high fence kills, but that has changed
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#1909432 - 05/03/10 06:09 AM
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Illegal might be taking things a little far, but encouraged no they should not be. I personally do not feel any deer taken within a fence has been "hunted". My own personal opinion is it is no different then shooting a cow or sheep. No matter if the property is 10,000 acres.
However, if folks get off on hunting inside pens, then by all means have at it. It is just not for me, and I personally do not have the same comparison for a high fenced animals and one taken in the wild.
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#1910964 - 05/04/10 03:25 AM
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I have hunted a high fence twice, One time was 600 acres in Ohio and it was an exotic hunt-spot and stalk. One of the most challenging hunts I have ever been on. The other was at the 42,000 acre, Y-O ranch in Texas. Most disgusting hunt I have ever been on. I could have used a ball peen hammer.
Both were bow hunts that I was assigned (ordered) to go on. One was a hunt, the other was a killing. But if you own the land, do what you want with it. You pull your wagon, I'll pull mine. But there is no way any animal killed behind a high fence should be in any record book.
Now define "High Fence". How many feet is a high fence?
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#1911093 - 05/04/10 07:44 AM
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But there is no way any animal killed behind a high fence should be in any record book.
Now define "High Fence". How many feet is a high fence?[/quote]
Thats a good point on the definition of high fence and I agree that any animal killed behind a high fence should not be entered in any record book
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#1919011 - 05/10/10 09:01 AM
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i believe many times when an individual has the funds available for land and a high fence, they also have the ability to have the twra and their resources as well - in terms of free seeds, plants, machinery, etc. of course, a high fence usually has a locked gate - so twra could be kept at bay. i think it is like shooting fish in a barrel because you can somewhat control the deer's movements - by restricting pressure, outside influences, food availability, etc. and you know the deer is there - that always helps.
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#1919951 - 05/10/10 09:51 PM
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No. Enough government restriction as it is.but i would never step foot in one
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Nope.
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#1928607 - 05/17/10 03:36 PM
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I don't think they should be illegal, either.
I think that once the enclosures reach a certain size (and I'll leave that to the experts) with available cover, etc ... the game in them is every bit as difficult to hunt as a non-fenced area.
I also think that folks who do this should NOT have to pay for any animal contained, as long as they don't 'bait it' before closing it up. The animals were there of their own volition, utilizing the environment. As for 'taking the animal out of public use' ... well, they are also keeping animals out. So I see a zero-sum situation.
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#1929313 - 05/18/10 06:25 AM
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Since most all wildlife have the ability to swim, geographical boundaries are non-existent. Those that can't swim can surely fly. Man-made barriers are great for keeping humans confined , but not wildlife, IMO. High Fences can't confine humans if they want in or out bad enough.
Why would anyone want to completely surround their land with a high fence? Are they trying to keep humans out or animals in?
If they are trying to keep humans out, then maybe they should put up three sides of the fence and do a drive to run as many of the animals off the property as they can before finishing the fence. If they are trying to entrap animals and keep them on their property, then , IMO, they should be required by law to obtain permission from the state wildife people and maybe even get a permit or license to enclose the wildlife. Maybe there should be an annual fee as well.
Many people keep talking about "doing what they want on their land" and I agree that if it does not effect anyone or anything else, then you should be allowed to do whatever you want on your land. However, when it has direct effect on the wildlife, that is not okay.
IMO, enclosing deer on a property and preventing them from traveling around as nature intended is harmful to not only those enclosed,but can have a direct effect on the surrounding herd as well.
Will the deer finally begin inbreeding? Not sure, but maybe.
let's say that your property has a high concentration of mast crop trees and some essential crop land as well. You high fence the area and keep other deer away from that food source and you can do damage to the herd. Also, let's say that your mast crop has a bad year and you also have a bad crop year, then the deer's food is limited.....Will you be obligated to supply YOUR WILDLIFE with food if this happens?
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#1931239 - 05/19/10 06:54 PM
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I dont believe they should be illegal! i dont hunt them but to each his own and for many reasons.
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