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#1884670 - 04/14/10 12:36 PM People that never harvest does!
plasticman
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I have mixed emotions about the one buck limit thing, IMO we should limit to two a year and meet in the middle. I have a problem with those hunters out there that will pass does all day long to kill a spike. I know some hunters that have not taken a doe in years. I try to take at least three a year to eat, If I see a mature buck I am happy to take him out. But I fill the freezer with the does (they taste better anyway).

So, what do you all think about having an earn a buck program, like it is on the NWR's that we have in this state.

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#1884678 - 04/14/10 12:38 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: plasticman]
stik
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does taste better? i don't think so. deer meat is deer meat.

and i think any earn a buck program sucks.
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#1884697 - 04/14/10 12:49 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: ]
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I agree that is sucks to see a hunter pass does to kill a 1.5 but its legal and if they are happy I congratulate them.

Ive said many times I like GA regulations best. However, if its legal good for them. I know lots of hunters that go out a few (as in 2) weekends a year and are happy for any harvest and meet they get. They enjoy the meat all year long and talk about their kill...we need to remember that us on this site are the minority. THere are lots of others that pay for their licenses' that deserve an opportunity that they can enjoy too.

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#1884718 - 04/14/10 01:06 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BowGuy84]
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It might be needed in west tn,but certainly not east tn.
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#1884735 - 04/14/10 01:13 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: cecil30-30]
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I know some older hunters (55-83 years old) that don't agree with shooting a doe at all. But will take a spike or any buck. Just the way they we're brought up.
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#1884740 - 04/14/10 01:15 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: stik]
Right_Tackle74
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 Originally Posted By: stik
does taste better? i don't think so. deer meat is deer meat.

and i think any earn a buck program sucks.




Agree. I fix my deer the same and can't tell the difference. To me a "earn a buck" program means finding an antlered deer and waiting till he turns broadside. \:\)

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#1884768 - 04/14/10 01:41 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BowGuy84]
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 Originally Posted By: BowGuy84
I agree that is sucks to see a hunter pass does to kill a 1.5 but its legal and if they are happy I congratulate them.

Ive said many times I like GA regulations best. However, if its legal good for them. I know lots of hunters that go out a few (as in 2) weekends a year and are happy for any harvest and meet they get. They enjoy the meat all year long and talk about their kill...we need to remember that us on this site are the minority. THere are lots of others that pay for their licenses' that deserve an opportunity that they can enjoy too.


good post.

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#1884800 - 04/14/10 02:07 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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 Originally Posted By: richmanbarbeque
 Originally Posted By: BowGuy84
I agree that is sucks to see a hunter pass does to kill a 1.5 but its legal and if they are happy I congratulate them.

Ive said many times I like GA regulations best. However, if its legal good for them. I know lots of hunters that go out a few (as in 2) weekends a year and are happy for any harvest and meet they get. They enjoy the meat all year long and talk about their kill...we need to remember that us on this site are the minority. THere are lots of others that pay for their licenses' that deserve an opportunity that they can enjoy too.


good post.

X2 and I will agree that the younger deer are better eating!

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#1884892 - 04/14/10 03:25 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
 Originally Posted By: richmanbarbeque
 Originally Posted By: BowGuy84
I agree that is sucks to see a hunter pass does to kill a 1.5 but its legal and if they are happy I congratulate them.

Ive said many times I like GA regulations best. However, if its legal good for them. I know lots of hunters that go out a few (as in 2) weekends a year and are happy for any harvest and meet they get. They enjoy the meat all year long and talk about their kill...we need to remember that us on this site are the minority. THere are lots of others that pay for their licenses' that deserve an opportunity that they can enjoy too.


good post.

X2 and I will agree that the younger deer are better eating!


Make that X3! I could live with GA's buck regulations. Not a big fan of antler restrictions, but it's only on one of two bucks.
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#1884909 - 04/14/10 03:49 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BSK]
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I WOULD RATHER SHOOT A DOE THAN A SMALL BUCK LET THEM GROW!!!!!!
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#1884997 - 04/14/10 04:40 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Right_Tackle74]
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 Originally Posted By: Right_Tackle74
I know some older hunters (55-83 years old) that don't agree with shooting a doe at all. But will take a spike or any buck. Just the way they we're brought up.


Some older hunters may be like that but not me.I take maybe 1 doe every 3-4 years and let small bucks walk.It doesnt hurt me a bit to have an unfilled tag.I go for the fun of it.Cleaning,draging and loading into lifted truck is rough on 57 year old that hunts by himself.I've taken my share of does and will now leave them for the younger guys.
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#1885023 - 04/14/10 04:56 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Mr.Bro]
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They all taste the same.Earn a buck sux.
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#1885043 - 04/14/10 05:05 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Mr.Bro]
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I'm not in favor of "earn a buck".

I personally think 2 buck limit and have it. Whatever makes you happy.

I don't shoot little bucks and have no desire to kill dozens of does to then try and give away. But I can see where the flexibility to shoot "something" is important for new hunters especially and also those that simply can't spend much time in the woods because of other commitments.

Sometimes just a little success leads to more excitement and desire which leads to better succcess and then one day you wind up on here talking about how you pass up those little guys now!

2 bucks gives flexibility for meat and trophy and also an "ooopps I shot the wrong one". And also if somebody can get 2 bucks, they should have the skills to be able to get 1 or 2 does as well. Which combined would put some meat in the freezer.

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#1885311 - 04/14/10 08:39 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Camp]
rem270
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deer meat taste the same to me.
the only way ill kill a doe is if i need the meat or someone else is wanting a deer to eat.
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#1885467 - 04/14/10 10:09 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: rem270]
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I don't give a rip what you shoot. Small buck, spike, fawn, it's your hunt not mine. Enjoy Mother Nature.
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#1885530 - 04/14/10 11:34 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: eightpointer]
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I'm all for each hunter deciding whats right for him and the land he's hunting on.
I've often thought it might not be a bad idea in some area's overrun with does to earn the 3rd buck.
Without a doubt younger deer make your jerky more tender.I like a young one before the rut . Cut the whole deer up just for tender jerky strips.

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#1885546 - 04/15/10 02:18 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: WestTn Huntin'man]
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I have never harvested a doe. But sure have killed a bunch of them.
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#1885580 - 04/15/10 06:29 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: bowriter]
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deer meat dos not all taste the same and you'll never convince me of that.

I have thrown buck meat away because I could not eat it. maybe it's an age thing or a rut thing or whatever, but I will never pay to process anything with antlers again.....

We eat two-three deer a year and none are bucks......

JMO

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#1885584 - 04/15/10 06:32 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
deer meat dos not all taste the same and you'll never convince me of that.

I have thrown buck meat away because I could not eat it. maybe it's an age thing or a rut thing or whatever, but I will never pay to process anything with antlers again.....

We eat two-three deer a year and none are bucks......

JMO

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#1885687 - 04/15/10 07:52 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: ]
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Age certainly makes a difference but after a half century of eating deer, I can tell you bucks and does have a different flavor. An old doe can be tough as boot leather and a spike buck can be tender as mashed potatoes. But given two deer of the same age and of different sex, you can dang sure tell the difference.

At least I can.
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#1885746 - 04/15/10 08:54 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: DEER ASSASSIN
i killed a doe once
just once \:D
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#1885756 - 04/15/10 09:00 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Buck Nekkid]
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I agree Bowriter you can taste the difference in the sex and would go even futher and say the region killed in. I have shot deer in Wyoming and shot deer in Tennessee and you can dang sure tell a difference.
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#1885783 - 04/15/10 09:19 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: 300 RUM]
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i would not mind the earn a buck, some places probably need it just so hunters will take some does but for some of you guys in east TN that only see a few deer in a year i can see why you would not want it and my hat is off to you guys cause i dont know that i would even hunt if i only saw 4 or 5 deer during the whole season
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#1885788 - 04/15/10 09:23 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: mathews338]
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 Originally Posted By: mathews338
i would not mind the earn a buck, some places probably need it just so hunters will take some does but for some of you guys in east TN that only see a few deer in a year i can see why you would not want it and my hat is off to you guys cause i dont know that i would even hunt if i only saw 4 or 5 deer during the whole season


It's defninitely challenging. ;\)
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#1885908 - 04/15/10 11:26 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: mathews338]
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 Originally Posted By: mathews338
i would not mind the earn a buck, some places probably need it just so hunters will take some does but for some of you guys in east TN that only see a few deer in a year i can see why you would not want it and my hat is off to you guys cause i dont know that i would even hunt if i only saw 4 or 5 deer during the whole season

This is definitely not the norm in all of East TN. I hunt unit B quite a bit and I pass on literally dozens of young bucks every year, and have for many years now. There are areas here that still could use population growth for sure, but most of East TN is getting to have a very healthy deer herd. Anybody that is only seeing 4 or 5 deer a year is either hunting very little, or in the wrong way, IMO anyway! Unit B also has some verey good hunting for mature bucks as well.

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#1885931 - 04/15/10 11:46 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Winchester]
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Well, my situation is that I hunt my property, and my property only. If the deer aren't there in a given season, I have very little adjustment I can make on the small tract I actually own. I don't hunt public land anymore since the leases came in and more property has been posted, just too much of a hassle imo. I love being on my own property, and seeing and taking a deer every now then is why I'm out there to begin with, but if I don't get to take one for whatever reason, I just take it in stride and look forward to the next season and hope for a better turnout. \:\)
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#1885951 - 04/15/10 11:57 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: mathews338]
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 Originally Posted By: mathews338
i would not mind the earn a buck, some places probably need it just so hunters will take some does but for some of you guys in east TN that only see a few deer in a year i can see why you would not want it and my hat is off to you guys cause i dont know that i would even hunt if i only saw 4 or 5 deer during the whole season
That would suck !
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#1885974 - 04/15/10 12:13 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Football Hunter]
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Other than fawns, as long as the meat is processed well, I can't tell the difference between sexes or ages. Two weeks in a walk-in cooler and even the oldest rutted-up buck will have the consistancy and taste of a young doe.

Now I CAN tell the difference in deer from different areas due to what they have been eating (acorn-fed versus corn-fed).
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#1885980 - 04/15/10 12:20 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
deer meat dos not all taste the same and you'll never convince me of that.

I have thrown buck meat away because I could not eat it. maybe it's an age thing or a rut thing or whatever, but I will never pay to process anything with antlers again.....

We eat two-three deer a year and none are bucks......

JMO

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X3! I've also had buck meat that I couldn't eat. Doe meat is by far the best and I know from my own experience. I put 2 does in the freezer for my family and donate anything with horns and any extra does I take.
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#1886062 - 04/15/10 02:13 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BigWes50]
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button buck tastes the best
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#1886070 - 04/15/10 02:21 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Doskil]
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 Originally Posted By: Doskil
button buck tastes the best



They are good \:o any fawn is good matter of fact! I have shot several fawns with my bow when they were standing beside a big momma doe. Camp meat is most always a fawn, hard to beat it!

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#1886141 - 04/15/10 03:47 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Winchester]
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IMO, the stress of the deer is what affects the taste the most. Take a buck that doesn't know you are in the world and drop him in his tracks, well pretty tender in my book...But take the same deer in the rut or run after you shot it..well it becomes tuff. But to use all deer meat is all good...
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#1886305 - 04/15/10 06:23 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Double-D-Team]
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I think with the new Online check-in system we would see false reports of Doe harvests just so hunters could go after a buck they've had in their sights.
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#1886535 - 04/15/10 08:37 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: plasticman]
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#1886896 - 04/16/10 01:20 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Panther78]
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i cannot tell the difference between buck or doe meat. alot of the reason people think a buck meat is bad is they drove it around all day showin it off. whereas the doe gets in the cooler quicker because there are no antlers to show off. if cared for properly, a 2.5 yr old doe and a 2.5 yr old buck out of the same patch of woods will be indiscernable.
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#1887331 - 04/16/10 01:58 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: DUCK37101
I think with the new Online check-in system we would see false reports of Doe harvests just so hunters could go after a buck they've had in their sights.
and why couldnt you do that with the old check system

they were not required to verify the sex of the dee










I think there may have been some requirement to actually "look" at the deer getting checked in but many didn't do it.

With a different system which has a hunter kill a Doe first there may be more stringent requirements because of the "earn a buck" format.
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#1887339 - 04/16/10 02:08 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: outbackhunter2010
when the state tells me what i have to shoot im done!
even if it was something that you could benefit from ?

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#1887992 - 04/17/10 08:33 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
 Originally Posted By: Doskil
button buck tastes the best



They are good \:o any fawn is good matter of fact! I have shot several fawns with my bow when they were standing beside a big momma doe. Camp meat is most always a fawn, hard to beat it!


Cooked over an open BBQ pit. Dang got my mouth to watering! I havent done that in years but, Im gonna this one.
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#1888709 - 04/17/10 11:36 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: mathews338]
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#1893844 - 04/21/10 09:31 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BSK]
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I have had a rutting buck whose back straps were marbelized and tough as i have never witnessed before. i think this has happened on two occasions out of the 100 + deer i have killed over a 35 year span. I have seen/tasted a difference in does and bucks especially older bucks. Its no secret younger generally means more tender.
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#1893868 - 04/21/10 09:48 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: outbackhunter2010
when you make hunters shoot a certain type of deer your taking out the freedoms of hunting.


I give this a BIG DITTO!

IMO Hunting is one thing I feel like is a right and not a privilege. For Agencies such as the TWRA to limit deer for the sake of having deer to hunt in the future is one thing, but to try and force people to hunt certain deer for the sake of "trophy" hunting or whatever other reason is pure BS. Again that's jmho.

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#1894001 - 04/22/10 06:09 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Baxter83]
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I know a gentleman who doesn't shoot does and only bucks and he doesn't even eat deer meat. It doesn't get wasted, he donates it.
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#1894439 - 04/22/10 12:33 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: ]
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I really don't like the idea of the earn a buck system myself either. When I posted this subject I was thinking that this might help bring the buck to doe ratio into check? But the ratio is so different in each region and even county to county in some areas of the state. I respect the opinion of each person that replied to this post, But I still think its a bad idea to kill small bucks one after other and never take a doe. IMO, that hurts every hunter, especially the ones that only have a limited time to be in the deer woods!
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#1894639 - 04/22/10 03:05 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: plasticman]
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 Originally Posted By: plasticman
But I still think its a bad idea to kill small bucks one after other and never take a doe. IMO, that hurts every hunter, especially the ones that only have a limited time to be in the deer woods!


I don't follow your reasoning...I have never seen small bucks, or any buck for that matter, drop fawns on the ground come spring... it seems to me, that in the long run, it would help more hunters, with a limited amount of time in the deer woods to kill A deer by letting as many does get thru the winter as possible...particularly in lower population areas....



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#1894855 - 04/22/10 06:09 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: tndrbstr]
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I understand your reasoning clear plasticman and couldnt agree more. I dont see whats wrong with having a few more bucks walking around for limited and new hunters. The fair share of the TN buck population is 1. Do the math. Its hard getting that sharing the resource thing through though. \:\)
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#1894961 - 04/22/10 07:21 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Tree Tramp]
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 Originally Posted By: Tree Tramp
I understand your reasoning clear plasticman and couldnt agree more. I dont see whats wrong with having a few more bucks walking around for limited and new hunters. The fair share of the TN buck population is 1. Do the math. Its hard getting that sharing the resource thing through though. \:\)



So your saying guys who hunt hard and bust thier butts to get thier three bucks are selfish because they should let them walk so that someone who hunts one weekend can have a better chance at a deer?

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#1895248 - 04/22/10 11:49 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: RAFI]
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3 small young bucks yes. \:\) Not much butt busting involved in that task. Let the rookies have a few for Pete's sake! If you let one walk you might realize how easy it is.


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#1895865 - 04/23/10 04:42 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Tree Tramp]
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 Originally Posted By: Tree Tramp
3 small young bucks yes. \:\) Not much butt busting involved in that task. Let the rookies have a few for Pete's sake! If you let one walk you might realize how easy it is.



I bet you I could take you to public land where killing a yearly buck is harder than killing a good buck on your private land.Stop putting people down for hunting different than you.I am sick of you acting like you are better than anyone else.just let people hunt and have fun.

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#1895897 - 04/23/10 04:59 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: outbackhunter2010
when the state tells me what i have to shoot im done!


The state already tells you what you have to shoot, when you can shoot it, how many you can shoot, and what you have to shoot it with.

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#1896135 - 04/23/10 09:47 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
does taste better? i don't think so. deer meat is deer meat.

and i think any earn a buck program sucks.


doe meat is better, no testosterone, meat is way more tender....unless you like tuff meat

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#1896142 - 04/23/10 09:51 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
deer meat dos not all taste the same and you'll never convince me of that.

I have thrown buck meat away because I could not eat it. maybe it's an age thing or a rut thing or whatever, but I will never pay to process anything with antlers again.....

We eat two-three deer a year and none are bucks......

JMO


you are correct sir, we dont eat Bulls for a reason...we eat steers

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#1896153 - 04/23/10 09:56 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Other than fawns, as long as the meat is processed well, I can't tell the difference between sexes or ages. Two weeks in a walk-in cooler and even the oldest rutted-up buck will have the consistancy and taste of a young doe.

Now I CAN tell the difference in deer from different areas due to what they have been eating (acorn-fed versus corn-fed).


Most proccesors mix deer meat...as I have been told and witnessed, the deer you bring in might not be the deer you get when you pick it up...however I was told that most weigh them to see how much you are owed...just a thought

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#1896190 - 04/23/10 10:17 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: RAFI]
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 Originally Posted By: RAFI
 Originally Posted By: Tree Tramp
3 small young bucks yes. \:\) Not much butt busting involved in that task. Let the rookies have a few for Pete's sake! If you let one walk you might realize how easy it is.



I bet you I could take you to public land where killing a yearly buck is harder than killing a good buck on your private land.Stop putting people down for hunting different than you.I am sick of you acting like you are better than anyone else.just let people hunt and have fun.


Hunt how you want within the law but if you have a desire for a big racked buck then quit killin the youngins, if the public land you speak of doesnt have deer then dont hunt it!, if it does then let the youngins walk unless you need the meat to feed your family, Public vs. Private land is subject to too many variables, one can be easier or harder depending on those variables, there are some hunters that know how to get it done and many more that dont, my opinion is that killin' deer is easy hunting is not

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#1896193 - 04/23/10 10:22 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: 51 pointer]
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 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer
 Originally Posted By: RAFI
 Originally Posted By: Tree Tramp
3 small young bucks yes. \:\) Not much butt busting involved in that task. Let the rookies have a few for Pete's sake! If you let one walk you might realize how easy it is.



I bet you I could take you to public land where killing a yearly buck is harder than killing a good buck on your private land.Stop putting people down for hunting different than you.I am sick of you acting like you are better than anyone else.just let people hunt and have fun.


Hunt how you want within the law but if you have a desire for a big racked buck then quit killin the youngins, if the public land you speak of doesnt have deer then dont hunt it!, if it does then let the youngins walk unless you need the meat to feed your family, Public vs. Private land is subject to too many variables, one can be easier or harder depending on those variables, there are some hunters that know how to get it done and many more that dont, my opinion is that killin' deer is easy hunting is not


Glad you are telling me where and how to hunt.


Edited by RAFI (04/23/10 10:23 PM)

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#1896346 - 04/24/10 07:29 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: 51 pointer]
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 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer
Hunt how you want within the law but if you have a desire for a big racked buck then quit killin the youngins...


That's absolutely true, but what I see more and more of is hunters that just want to hunt and kill something.

I used to see hunters that killed the young bucks and then complained about not seeing any good bucks, but that is now a rarity. Hunters get it. To have older bucks you can't kill them when they're young. But I think those interested in older bucks (and although I realize it is hard for some to believe, not all hunters are interested in older bucks) ARE passing up young bucks. The harvest data makes that very clear.

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#1896414 - 04/24/10 09:06 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: 51 pointer]
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 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer
 Originally Posted By: RAFI
 Originally Posted By: Tree Tramp
3 small young bucks yes. \:\) Not much butt busting involved in that task. Let the rookies have a few for Pete's sake! If you let one walk you might realize how easy it is.



I bet you I could take you to public land where killing a yearly buck is harder than killing a good buck on your private land.Stop putting people down for hunting different than you.I am sick of you acting like you are better than anyone else.just let people hunt and have fun.


Hunt how you want within the law but if you have a desire for a big racked buck then quit killin the youngins, if the public land you speak of doesnt have deer then dont hunt it!, if it does then let the youngins walk unless you need the meat to feed your family, Public vs. Private land is subject to too many variables, one can be easier or harder depending on those variables, there are some hunters that know how to get it done and many more that dont, my opinion is that killin' deer is easy hunting is not


Did your 51 pointer come off of public land?...How many times did you hunt public land on non-quota hunts last year?...

tree tramp,...how many times did you hunt public land on any non-quota hunts last year?...




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#1896498 - 04/24/10 10:46 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: 51 pointer]
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 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer


Most proccesors mix deer meat...as I have been told and witnessed, the deer you bring in might not be the deer you get when you pick it up...however I was told that most weigh them to see how much you are owed...just a thought


none of the processors i have ever used do that. they process 1 deer at a time. you get YOUR deer.
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#1896745 - 04/24/10 01:53 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: tndrbstr]
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 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer
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[quote=Tree Tramp]3 small young bucks yes. \:\) Not much butt busting involved in that task. Let the rookies have a few for Pete's sake! If you let one walk you might realize how easy it is.



I bet you I could take you to public land where killing a yearly buck is harder than killing a good buck on your private land.Stop putting people down for hunting different than you.I am sick of you acting like you are better than anyone else.just let people hunt and have fun.


Hunt how you want within the law but if you have a desire for a big racked buck then quit killin the youngins, if the public land you speak of doesnt have deer then dont hunt it!, if it does then let the youngins walk unless you need the meat to feed your family, Public vs. Private land is subject to too many variables, one can be easier or harder depending on those variables, there are some hunters that know how to get it done and many more that dont, my opinion is that killin' deer is easy hunting is not


Did your 51 pointer come off of public land?...How many times did you hunt public land on non-quota hunts last year?...

tree tramp,...how many times did you hunt public land on any non-quota hunts last year?...



[/quote

I have never considered hunting public land, I get permission from land owners to hunt of which some are highly pressured from multiple hunters, I specifically choose areas that produce big racked bucks

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#1896750 - 04/24/10 01:59 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: 51 pointer]
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Good point above
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#1896751 - 04/24/10 02:00 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer


Most proccesors mix deer meat...as I have been told and witnessed, the deer you bring in might not be the deer you get when you pick it up...however I was told that most weigh them to see how much you are owed...just a thought


none of the processors i have ever used do that. they process 1 deer at a time. you get YOUR deer.
Im sure deer get mixed up
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#1897648 - 04/25/10 07:11 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: 51 pointer]
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 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer

I have never considered hunting public land,


Good for you,... but that doesn't really qualify you as an authority on the ease or difficulty of tagging any animal on public land in my opinion... \:\)



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#1897905 - 04/25/10 11:23 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: tndrbstr]
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 Originally Posted By: tndrbstr
 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer

I have never considered hunting public land,


Good for you,... but that doesn't really qualify you as an authority on the ease or difficulty of tagging any animal on public land in my opinion... \:\)




lol ;\)

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#1897926 - 04/25/10 11:51 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: RAFI]
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Yearly bucks are easy prey public or private. I mean they are great to get the children involved in the sport because they make it enjoyable for them. But i just i cant see a grown man getting much out of the little fellas.
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#1897953 - 04/25/10 12:17 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BowGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: BowGirl
Yearly bucks are easy prey public or private. I mean they are great to get the children involved in the sport because they make it enjoyable for them. But i just i cant see a grown man getting much out of the little fellas.



I get about 15 packs of burger,2 long backstraps, and a lot of jerky/roast/stew meat out of one of the little fellas .

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#1897957 - 04/25/10 12:19 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: RAFI]
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 Originally Posted By: RAFI
 Originally Posted By: BowGirl
Yearly bucks are easy prey public or private. I mean they are great to get the children involved in the sport because they make it enjoyable for them. But i just i cant see a grown man getting much out of the little fellas.



I get about 15 packs of burger,2 long backstraps, and a lot of jerky/roast/stew meat out of one of the little fellas .


thank you RAFI. exactly what i was thinking.
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#1897971 - 04/25/10 12:36 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: RAFI
 Originally Posted By: BowGirl
Yearly bucks are easy prey public or private. I mean they are great to get the children involved in the sport because they make it enjoyable for them. But i just i cant see a grown man getting much out of the little fellas.



I get about 15 packs of burger,2 long backstraps, and a lot of jerky/roast/stew meat out of one of the little fellas .


thank you RAFI. exactly what i was thinking.


Well when you guys are old enough youll find some new adventures are waiting for you in the deer woods. Good luck.

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#1897975 - 04/25/10 12:43 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BowGirl]
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bowgirl I'm not going to play this game you want to play.I will hunt how i want and not let someone like you try to talk down to me.

I might shoot a small buck one hunt and a big buck the next.That doesn't make me anyless of a hunter than someone who will only shoot big deer.


Edited by RAFI (04/25/10 12:45 PM)

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#1897981 - 04/25/10 12:50 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BowGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: BowGirl
Well when you guys are old enough youll find some new adventures are waiting for you in the deer woods. Good luck.


I got a dollar bill thats says I'm already old enough for any adventure in the deer woods that you can think of... \:\/

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#1897985 - 04/25/10 12:54 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: RAFI]
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Well it is easy for an experienced hunter to take young bucks. Most hunters that only shoot big deer know this. You do what makes you happy and again good luck.
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#1899018 - 04/26/10 05:51 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: ]
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I, along with others, haven't been excited about shooting small, young bucks for years now so I quit....I quit shooting them anyway. I still get excited seeing them but wait for their elders before squeezing the trigger. When I no longer get excited at the prospect of taking that caliber of buck I'll hang it all up.
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#1899128 - 04/26/10 07:08 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: RAFI]
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 Originally Posted By: RAFI
 Originally Posted By: BowGirl
Yearly bucks are easy prey public or private. I mean they are great to get the children involved in the sport because they make it enjoyable for them. But i just i cant see a grown man getting much out of the little fellas.



I get about 15 packs of burger,2 long backstraps, and a lot of jerky/roast/stew meat out of one of the little fellas .


HA!!! Good one RAFI!
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#1899445 - 04/26/10 10:58 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Mike Belt]
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#1899519 - 04/26/10 12:12 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
I, along with others, haven't been excited about shooting small, young bucks for years now so I quit....I quit shooting them anyway. I still get excited seeing them but wait for their elders before squeezing the trigger. When I no longer get excited at the prospect of taking that caliber of buck I'll hang it all up.


Great post and totally agree!
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#1899791 - 04/26/10 03:29 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: plasticman]
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Good Post Mike...
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#1900641 - 04/26/10 10:32 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Double-D-Team]
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I support the choices TWRA makes & don't judge what others harvest if legal, but I would fully support the earn a buck program & to encourage the harvest of more does and being more selective on older bucks.
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#1900887 - 04/27/10 07:34 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Florida Cracker 971]
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 Originally Posted By: Florida Cracker 22
...but I would fully support the earn a buck program & to encourage the harvest of more does and being more selective on older bucks.


I would too, if that were needed. However, in much of Unit L, under the current regulations, doe harvests are adequate (45+% of the harvest is female), the sex ratio is adequate and buck age structure is constantly improving.

But again, if it were biologically necessary, I would support many other options.
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#1901358 - 04/27/10 12:28 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BSK]
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I agree BSK, unit L is doing ok with the current reg's. Consider this example. Bridge-stone WMA in white county where I live, has been flooded with hunters over the last five years that will shoot any deer with a 3 inch antler. This area in the past has produced some really nice bucks. The flip side is, no one will shoot a doe! I quite hunting there three years ago because of this. Last bow season I went back in just to take does. I took three does in three weekends, had cameras out for three months prior to opening day and only had pics of one small buck. Starting last season, we now have an 8 point restriction on this WMA. I hope this will help bring the age class back up for the bucks. I guess it will take a few years. Currently I am hunting 2.5 hours away in west Tn. Sure will be nice to hunt closer to home for a mature buck again!
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#1901447 - 04/27/10 01:47 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: plasticman]
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plasticman,

Good example of an area that might benefit from more "severe/draconian" type restrictions.
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#1901730 - 04/27/10 04:04 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Florida Cracker 22
...but I would fully support the earn a buck program & to encourage the harvest of more does and being more selective on older bucks.


I would too, if that were needed. However, in much of Unit L, under the current regulations, doe harvests are adequate (45+% of the harvest is female), the sex ratio is adequate and buck age structure is constantly improving.

But again, if it were biologically necessary, I would support many other options.


in that 45+% of females that are harvested out of the total harvest number is that including "antlerless" males shot in that female percentage too?????????
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#1902163 - 04/27/10 07:45 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: plasticman]
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 Originally Posted By: plasticman
I agree BSK, unit L is doing ok with the current reg's. Consider this example. Bridge-stone WMA in white county where I live, has been flooded with hunters over the last five years that will shoot any deer with a 3 inch antler. This area in the past has produced some really nice bucks. The flip side is, no one will shoot a doe! I quite hunting there three years ago because of this. Last bow season I went back in just to take does. I took three does in three weekends, had cameras out for three months prior to opening day and only had pics of one small buck. Starting last season, we now have an 8 point restriction on this WMA. I hope this will help bring the age class back up for the bucks. I guess it will take a few years. Currently I am hunting 2.5 hours away in west Tn. Sure will be nice to hunt closer to home for a mature buck again!
Hope it helps,that sounds awful
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#1902264 - 04/27/10 08:12 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BSK]
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I simply cannot kick myself out of bed at 3:30 a.m. anymore to shoot a buck whose horns are not coming in the house to admire permanently. Forget the score. Two kinds of deer exist--garage deer and wall deer. No tape or rackulator or Boom and Rocket scorer is needed. If you like it and mount it on even a simple plaque and you can see it from your recliner year after year it is a trophy. If the rack ain't in the house, why did you shoot it and where is it now? Garage? Did you ... throw it away? Did you boil the rack and try to make stew? Somewhere out there are people who passed up the only two TN bucks I have in my house. I THANK YOU you for not whacking my trophies when they were younger deer. I returned the favor last year and passed up at least 6 nice bucks that hopefully will be a wall deer for somebody someday.
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#1902746 - 04/28/10 07:42 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: renegade50]
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 Originally Posted By: Florida Cracker 22
...but I would fully support the earn a buck program & to encourage the harvest of more does and being more selective on older bucks.


I would too, if that were needed. However, in much of Unit L, under the current regulations, doe harvests are adequate (45+% of the harvest is female), the sex ratio is adequate and buck age structure is constantly improving.

But again, if it were biologically necessary, I would support many other options.


in that 45+% of females that are harvested out of the total harvest number is that including "antlerless" males shot in that female percentage too?????????


Females only.

This is the average percent females in the harvest over the last three years:

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#1903119 - 04/28/10 12:29 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BSK]
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I agree with the Tnramblingman. I am a hunter who has evolved into the kind that will pass up small bucks in hopes that a mature buck of a life time could be around the corner. I have taken my share of spikes, four pointers etc. But in the end I think every hunter deep down wants to kill a trophy! You say every small deer you kill is a trophy for you, Well is it in the house or the garage? This is not about your rights to kill whatever you want to, its about not having the patients to pass up a small buck in hopes that he can live long enough to mature into whatever mother nature decides he can be. If you kill him as a baby, you will never know what he could have been. Your just fooling yourself if you really believe that you a re happy with a spike or a four point. I used to be the same guy year after year. I guess its a sign of personal maturity when you become board with just killing a small buck. You really are missing the thrill of going into a mature bucks territory and hunting him on his terms. Weather you kill him or not doesn't matter, its all about the the hunt!!!
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#1903138 - 04/28/10 12:40 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: plasticman]
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Well I have matured so far as to not feel the need or want to kill any more mature deer at all...I am gonna start killing only the smaller young ones from now on. They eat better, drag easier and are a lot lighter to load into the pick up truck..I am going to start passing on all the mature deer so the head hunters will have more to chase.. \:\)
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#1903176 - 04/28/10 01:10 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: tndrbstr]
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I've started hunting in 1995. I've killed less than 10 bucks. However 3 of them are to big 8 pointers and a 16 pointer. They are all mounted, but I also have a 3 pointer mounted and he means as much to me as the 3 big ones. I've earned all of them and thank God for each one.
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#1903221 - 04/28/10 02:12 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Right_Tackle74]
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 Originally Posted By: Right_Tackle74
I've started hunting in 1995. I've killed less than 10 bucks. However 3 of them are to big 8 pointers and a 16 pointer. They are all mounted, but I also have a 3 pointer mounted and he means as much to me as the 3 big ones. I've earned all of them and thank God for each one.
Then why were you so excited when TWRA changed the buck limit to 3 in unit B?That makes no sense,at least to me.
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#1903437 - 04/28/10 04:35 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: plasticman]
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 Originally Posted By: plasticman
I agree with the Tnramblingman. I am a hunter who has evolved into the kind that will pass up small bucks in hopes that a mature buck of a life time could be around the corner. I have taken my share of spikes, four pointers etc. But in the end I think every hunter deep down wants to kill a trophy! You say every small deer you kill is a trophy for you, Well is it in the house or the garage? This is not about your rights to kill whatever you want to, its about not having the patients to pass up a small buck in hopes that he can live long enough to mature into whatever mother nature decides he can be. If you kill him as a baby, you will never know what he could have been. Your just fooling yourself if you really believe that you a re happy with a spike or a four point. I used to be the same guy year after year. I guess its a sign of personal maturity when you become board with just killing a small buck. You really are missing the thrill of going into a mature bucks territory and hunting him on his terms. Weather you kill him or not doesn't matter, its all about the the hunt!!!


And that right there is the major problem. And that goes for every aspect of life. Too many people believe that what motivates them actually does or should motivate everyone.

Big buck hunters simply refuse to believe that big bucks are not the prime motivation--the ultimate goal--of every hunter. Big buck hunters are so obsessed with that particular goal that they just can't see how any other legitimate motivation could exist.
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#1903899 - 04/28/10 08:40 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BSK]
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Offhand, I really don't know how many immature bucks I have killed, most many years ago. They still come by and I scope them, it is exciting--and I sit back down in the stand and watch the sunrise or sunset. But I shoot does if I want meat, or the herd needs thinning because a doe tastes a lot better than a rutting buck. So now I would rather kill a trophy buck or no buck at all. I would not trade killing 100 small TN bucks for just one glimpse of a mature big buck. And that somehow means I am evil? I don't think so. In fact, I love to take kids hunting and watch them take their first or second or third buck of whatever size. But there is no reason for anyone to suggest that people who enjoy hunting big bucks are weird or or that we are trying to put other people down. All of us are motivated to hunt and be outside and enjoy nature. But plasticman raises a question no one will answer: what are all of the experienced hunters who just must simply kill every little buck that walks by doing with all of these horns? Are your houses and dens and kitckens full of all the bucks you have taken? Even all those smaller ones? I bet we all have our first buck's horns. What about the 51st one? Or the 101st one? If you don't have the racks and don't keep the racks, please tell me why you shot the deer that had the rack in the first place. I just want to know. Where are the racks? My trophy system involves no scoring. If I bring it in the house it was and is a trophy. I have been to a lot of hunters houses and you just don't see very many three pointers, unless basketball is on TV. Is anybody going to step up and admit you just throw the small racks away?
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#1904037 - 04/28/10 09:18 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: TNRAMBLINGMAN]
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Tnrambingman and plasticman great post.

Deer hunter managers go away.

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#1904134 - 04/28/10 10:13 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BowGirl]
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I killed my first buck and deer in 1970. It was a average six
pointer. I was very proud of it and it is on my wall...as I write
this. I killed many baby bucks in the years after my first, but I
don't anymore. That is because it is my choice not to do so. I
still have every rack of every buck I ever killed.

To me, I don't get much out of killing a roaming juvenile buck
anymore. When I decided not to kill them, I was shocked at what
came along.
160" droptine....140" thick rack....and a few over 100 inches.
I watched a 6 pointer that was really nervous, before the 160
showed up. Go back 10 or 15 years, and the 160 would have never
been seen.

Young bucks, I have learned, can be the key to a "TROPHY". Oh
yea, those does do eat good.

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#1904224 - 04/28/10 11:51 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BowGirl]
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i have every set of antlers and a memory in each one. and they are in the living room.
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#1904320 - 04/29/10 06:24 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: stik]
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#1904469 - 04/29/10 07:22 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
i have every set of antlers and a memory in each one. and they are in the living room.


Every buck that has ever been killed on my place--if it is not hanging in the hunter's house--is hanging in our cabin either as a shoulder mount or a European mount. Even the yearling forkhorns and spikes.
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#1904495 - 04/29/10 07:36 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: TNRAMBLINGMAN]
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 Originally Posted By: TNRAMBLINGMAN
Offhand, I really don't know how many immature bucks I have killed, most many years ago. They still come by and I scope them, it is exciting--and I sit back down in the stand and watch the sunrise or sunset. But I shoot does if I want meat, or the herd needs thinning because a doe tastes a lot better than a rutting buck. So now I would rather kill a trophy buck or no buck at all. I would not trade killing 100 small TN bucks for just one glimpse of a mature big buck. And that somehow means I am evil? I don't think so. In fact, I love to take kids hunting and watch them take their first or second or third buck of whatever size. But there is no reason for anyone to suggest that people who enjoy hunting big bucks are weird or or that we are trying to put other people down. All of us are motivated to hunt and be outside and enjoy nature. But plasticman raises a question no one will answer: what are all of the experienced hunters who just must simply kill every little buck that walks by doing with all of these horns? Are your houses and dens and kitckens full of all the bucks you have taken? Even all those smaller ones? I bet we all have our first buck's horns. What about the 51st one? Or the 101st one? If you don't have the racks and don't keep the racks, please tell me why you shot the deer that had the rack in the first place. I just want to know. Where are the racks? My trophy system involves no scoring. If I bring it in the house it was and is a trophy. I have been to a lot of hunters houses and you just don't see very many three pointers, unless basketball is on TV. Is anybody going to step up and admit you just throw the small racks away?


Batter up... \:\) ....
...but if it makes you feel any better, I treat the big racks (mature) the same as the small ones... Most of the racks I have cut off of bucks are in a box, given away or drug off by the critters by now..critters need calsium to ya know...
Here is pic of the last buck I CHOOSE to kill(4 seasons ago)....It was aged at 4 1/2, I have probably let better than thirty or more bucks walk since then,...that should make you feel better..
I threw it on a slab pile four years ago when I cut the head off after quartering it up. It has been there ever since. If the coyotes or dogs wanted it than it would most likley be gone right now. What concern is that of yours or anyone elses? ..



I don't really think that I'm the one with the ISSUES here to be honest with you.... ...My trophy system doesn't involve a tape measure either..in fact, It doesn't even involve a wall or shrine the great antlered GOD odocodileus virginianus at all. These are not idols to me...there antlers cut off of a dead animal, thats it, if you can't or won't understand then thats not my problem friend... ....Why should the fact I don't treat the animals I decide to kill like a golden calf bother you at all?...

So I ask you in your own words...
And that somehow means I am evil?

\:\)

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#1904504 - 04/29/10 07:46 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: tndrbstr]
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GREAT post tndrbstr!!!
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#1904520 - 04/29/10 08:09 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Football Hunter]
Right_Tackle74
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Right_Tackle74
I've started hunting in 1995. I've killed less than 10 bucks. However 3 of them are to big 8 pointers and a 16 pointer. They are all mounted, but I also have a 3 pointer mounted and he means as much to me as the 3 big ones. I've earned all of them and thank God for each one.
Then why were you so excited when TWRA changed the buck limit to 3 in unit B?That makes no sense,at least to me.


Well to be quiet honest on 2 occasions I killed 2 Bucks in one season in Unit B and was tagged out for the year, I only live 5 minutes from Roane County and could easily checked in a Loudon Deer as a Roane County Deer. But I chose to do the right thing. Last year I met my goals 1.)Fill the frezzer 2.)Put a big un' on the wall. I could have hunted more for a 3rd buck in 2009, But felt there really was no need to kill a deer I never would've gotten to eat. Usually 3-4 Deer a year lasts me till the following season. Just having the rightful chances a unit A hunter has is fair to me.

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#1904521 - 04/29/10 08:11 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: TNRAMBLINGMAN]
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 Originally Posted By: TNRAMBLINGMAN
But I shoot does if I want meat, or the herd needs thinning because a doe tastes a lot better than a rutting buck. So now I would rather kill a trophy buck or no buck at all. I would not trade killing 100 small TN bucks for just one glimpse of a mature big buck. And that somehow means I am evil? I don't think so.


I agree. That doesn't make you evil. It simply makes you a trophy hunter, and that's OK. To each, their own. Heck, I'm somewhat of a trophy hunter myself. I love old bucks and big antlers.


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But there is no reason for anyone to suggest that people who enjoy hunting big bucks are weird or or that we are trying to put other people down. All of us are motivated to hunt and be outside and enjoy nature.


Absolutely true. In fact there are quite a few who post on this Forum who are trophy hunters but fully grasp that other hunters are motivated by other factors, and don't put them down for that. However, there are also some trophy hunters who post on this Forum that regularly blast hunters who shoot small-antlered/young bucks. They just can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that not everybody is as obsessed with antlers as they are. Some hunters simply hunt to have hunted and might be thrilled to kill any age/size buck that presents itself, and that should be perfectly acceptable.


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But plasticman raises a question no one will answer: what are all of the experienced hunters who just must simply kill every little buck that walks by doing with all of these horns?


First, you're wrongfully assuming a hunter that will shoot a young/small-antlered buck "must simply kill every little buck that walks by," which is often not the case, and secondly you're assuming everyone is obsessed with antlers. They are not.


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If you don't have the racks and don't keep the racks, please tell me why you shot the deer that had the rack in the first place. I just want to know.


Gee, perhaps because it was a legal deer and killing a legal deer made them happy? In many parts of TN, unless you got drawn for a quota hunt and/or purchased a Type 94 or Sportman's License, only antlered bucks are legal during gun season.


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Where are the racks?


Who cares? Again not everyone is obsessed with antlers.


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Is anybody going to step up and admit you just throw the small racks away?


Once more, who cares if they do?
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#1904528 - 04/29/10 08:15 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BSK]
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Ahhhhh..good post Bryan. \:\)
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#1904546 - 04/29/10 08:38 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
A.K.A.
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2 buck limit is perfect for my hunting style. IF I ever killed 2! What I'm saying is that you get another chance if you see a bigger buck or just are like me and aint too picky on your first one.
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#1904887 - 04/29/10 01:18 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: stik
i have every set of antlers and a memory in each one. and they are in the living room.


Every buck that has ever been killed on my place--if it is not hanging in the hunter's house--is hanging in our cabin either as a shoulder mount or a European mount. Even the yearling forkhorns and spikes.

I used to keep all mine in the house and then the garage, but I have had to move the boxes into an outbuilding, just not enough room for them piled up in the corners. I am in the process of hanging some 12 foot shelving boards and screwing the skull plates to them. I have done a couple and need to hang a few more and get them all on the wall, and atleast where I can look at them and remember each hunt. A few more like these and i will have them all up.
[img]http://[/img]
I rarely mount one anymore unless its a really big or unique buck!

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#1905065 - 04/29/10 03:37 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Winchester]
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Very cool Winchester!
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#1905178 - 04/29/10 06:19 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
My trophies (every one of them) hang mostly in my mind. ;\)
Same here
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#1905409 - 04/29/10 08:16 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Football Hunter]
TNRAMBLINGMAN
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I hope I did not raise any one's blood pressure with my post.

And on the matter of people keeping all the racks, it appears the TNDEER crowd keeps the racks. On that I stand corrected as evidenced by numerous posts and pictures.

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#1905671 - 04/29/10 10:09 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: TNRAMBLINGMAN]
tndrbstr
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 Originally Posted By: TNRAMBLINGMAN
I hope I did not raise any one's blood pressure with my post.

And on the matter of people keeping all the racks, it appears the TNDEER crowd keeps the racks. On that I stand corrected as evidenced by numerous posts and pictures.



you must of missed my post....




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#1905940 - 04/30/10 08:15 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: TNRAMBLINGMAN]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: TNRAMBLINGMAN
I hope I did not raise any one's blood pressure with my post.


You certainly didn't raise my blood pressure. But you also have to realize lots of people hunt for different reasons than you do, and respect that.

Only worry about those things you can control. Worrying about what you can't control--other people's actions and motivations--is a recipe for an over-stressed life.

And for the trophy hunter, realize that things are changing for the better. More and more people "get it" about passing young bucks. Back when I first started talking about QDM (passing young bucks and shooting does) in TN, hunters thought I was talking heresy and wanted to run me out of town on a rail (and they still do!). Now, you can't find hunters that haven't at least heard of QDM concepts, and the harvest data suggests an increasing percentage of hunters are voluntarily passing on young bucks. Even as the State liberalizes buck limits, the age of harvested bucks continues to slowly increase. This has to be because hunters are voluntarily passing young bucks.

I honestly believe we are almost at the stage where buck limits are virtually meaningless for the age of bucks harvested. In essence, buck limits are not what are limiting hunters in the age of bucks they decide to shoot. Make the limit 20 bucks and the percent of the buck harvest that is older-aged bucks would continue to increase.
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#1907413 - 05/01/10 05:48 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Winchester]
stik
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: stik
i have every set of antlers and a memory in each one. and they are in the living room.


Every buck that has ever been killed on my place--if it is not hanging in the hunter's house--is hanging in our cabin either as a shoulder mount or a European mount. Even the yearling forkhorns and spikes.

I used to keep all mine in the house and then the garage, but I have had to move the boxes into an outbuilding, just not enough room for them piled up in the corners. I am in the process of hanging some 12 foot shelving boards and screwing the skull plates to them. I have done a couple and need to hang a few more and get them all on the wall, and atleast where I can look at them and remember each hunt. A few more like these and i will have them all up.
[img]http://[/img]
I rarely mount one anymore unless its a really big or unique buck!


i like that. i was looking for similar ideas to display our racks. i bet that would look good on some old barnwood.
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#1913623 - 05/06/10 06:43 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Winchester]
BigWes50
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: stik
i have every set of antlers and a memory in each one. and they are in the living room.


Every buck that has ever been killed on my place--if it is not hanging in the hunter's house--is hanging in our cabin either as a shoulder mount or a European mount. Even the yearling forkhorns and spikes.

I used to keep all mine in the house and then the garage, but I have had to move the boxes into an outbuilding, just not enough room for them piled up in the corners. I am in the process of hanging some 12 foot shelving boards and screwing the skull plates to them. I have done a couple and need to hang a few more and get them all on the wall, and atleast where I can look at them and remember each hunt. A few more like these and i will have them all up.
[img]http://[/img]
I rarely mount one anymore unless its a really big or unique buck!


Looks like your out of room! Great looking rack mount.
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#1913707 - 05/06/10 07:54 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BigWes50]
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I have 13 whitetails that exceed book minimums and six other animals. None have been sent in. The deer that brings back the best memories might score 110. It was the first buck I ever killed. I have had it remounted three times. The last buck I killed was a six-point. I killed him because I wanted to. I shot him with a crossbow.

Of the 19 animals that I have killed that exceed book minimums, I only have 11 in my house. The rest are in other folks houses or lodges.

Each person decides what they want and whatever they want that is just fine with me. You pull your wagon and I'll pull mine. Last year, for the first time in 50 years, I did not even shoot at a deer. I passed up little six and a doe that I could easily kill. I figure I have killed enough. I could kill a deer or a turkey almost any day simply sitting on my patio. But that isn't hunting.

All this talk about what to shoot or not shoot gives me a headache. If something needs to be done from a biological aspect, do it. Otherwise, do what you want.
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#1914917 - 05/06/10 08:17 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: bowriter]
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Ok Bowriter,but you seem to know exactly where you stand on "book"deer
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#1938655 - 05/25/10 08:36 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: BSK]
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I try to kill me anywhere from 1 to 6 does every year. I shoot all i can during Bow season but in the last few years i havent been on does that much during bow season. Not seeing much activity duing morning hours at all except really early many mornings and i assume it has been because of the abundance of acorns.
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#1938728 - 05/25/10 09:00 PM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: Boone 58]
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 Originally Posted By: camoman270
I try to kill me anywhere from 1 to 6 does every year. I shoot all i can during Bow season but in the last few years i havent been on does that much during bow season. Not seeing much activity duing morning hours at all except really early many mornings and i assume it has been because of the abundance of acorns.


Yes, in my area, the last 2 years, there have been an abundance of acorns. But I think the biggest factor in our area the last couple of years, imo, has been the shortage of deer from the EHD outbreak in 2007. I have seen a small amount of deer each year since then, but more and more deer sightings every year. This coming year should be back towards normal.

I normally do the same as you camoman....I shoot as many does I possibly can during bow season. Then try to shoot several throughout the gun season. Theres been low numbers for me the last couple of years. I hope this year is different
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#1939028 - 05/26/10 05:43 AM Re: People that never harvest does! [Re: JCDEERMAN]
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I can remember the days I was obsessed with the hunt and killing a buck was some kind of badge of honor that placed you into the ranks of a "deer hunter". I suppose tha ideal hasn't changed for those who are beginning to deer hunt and even many veterans. When I became more interested in the deer and the actual hunt that notion vanished. The allowance of being able to take does for freezer meat while buck hunting was just what the doctor ordered for my style of hunting...meat on the table AND the opportunity to keep buck hunting at the same time. I don't understand the holdout of anyone legally taking a doe when given the chance but to each his own.
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