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#1874090 - 04/06/10 12:00 PM which would you hunt ?
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with all this talk about limits it has got me to thinking and i want to ask you guys a ?

if you had two pieces of land miles apart that come up for lease and both were around 200 acres and habitats that were about the same but there was one difference between the two

a. the two hunters that hunted this piece of land shot whatever they wanted as long as it was legal during the time they had it

b. the two hunters that hunted this piece of land only shot mature bucks and limited themselves to only one and of course took does as needed

which piece of property would you get ?

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#1874114 - 04/06/10 12:11 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: mathews338]
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B. without a shadow of a doubt! Although with 200acres everybody else around you is going to benefit from YOUR HARD WORK and YOUR MONEY!
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#1874133 - 04/06/10 12:19 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: BigWes50]
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I'd probably have to know a little more about each. Like which is closer and such. A good point about the ones who would shoot the first deer they saw is that if there were any mature bucks on the property, the chances of another hunter being able to take it(them) would be increased I would think.
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#1874325 - 04/06/10 02:18 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: BigWes50]
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 Originally Posted By: BigWes50
B. without a shadow of a doubt! Although with 200acres everybody else around you is going to benefit from YOUR HARD WORK and YOUR MONEY!
the reason i used 200 acres as an example is because that is what my dads farm is and the reason i bring this up is because i would think that most would want property B but will argue that limits don't matter

and your point about others that would benefit from the work you put into it is true but your work could also be a waste of time if your neighbors shoot all the young bucks you let go and don't get me wrong i'm not saying that they are wrong for doing it cause if it's legal and they have permission or own the property then it is their right to do so and i'm fine with it but i would have to move on to another spot so that i could accomplish my goals

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#1874473 - 04/06/10 03:48 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: mathews338]
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B,still have a chance to keep em around if you have some cover and hunt smart
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#1874492 - 04/06/10 03:59 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: Football Hunter]
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#1874617 - 04/06/10 05:25 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: ]
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a
i don't blame you i always wanted to hunt where they had the pi$$ shot out of them LOL !!!

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#1874645 - 04/06/10 05:40 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: mathews338]
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#1874689 - 04/06/10 06:35 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: jb3]
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 Originally Posted By: jb3
A

Really?
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#1875594 - 04/07/10 11:08 AM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: Football Hunter]
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if they killed 20 deer off A, and 3 deer off B, i would be checking to see if it was because of population difference or hunter restraint. if A was in a unit L county and B in a unit B county, i take A every time.
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#1875656 - 04/07/10 12:05 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
if they killed 20 deer off A, and 3 deer off B, i would be checking to see if it was because of population difference or hunter restraint. if A was in a unit L county and B in a unit B county, i take A every time.
both in same county and even in a unit A there are only so many deer that can be taken off any property and some just don't understand that they will be standing there going " i dont know what happened TWRA said i could take all these deer, there must be something else wrong, it can't be because i killed so many "

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#1875705 - 04/07/10 12:39 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: mathews338]
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You can only kill 3 bucks in unit A. And I believe the limit of does is 4 per archery, and 4 per ML season, correct?
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#1875790 - 04/07/10 02:12 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
You can only kill 3 bucks in unit A. And I believe the limit of does is 4 per archery, and 4 per ML season, correct?
yes but don't you think that if a group of guys went in there and killed a bunch of deer that it would eventually knock the population back enough that deer sightings would be way down and if the neighbors killed many at all it would just get worse not to mention that if they are killing yearlings chances at mature deer would be almost impossible

i've seen it with my own eyes and have heard hunters say " man this place use to be good but i don't know what happened " i wanted to tell them what the problem was but i held my tongue cause you can't fix stupid therefor it would have done me no good and would have been a waste of my time

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#1875832 - 04/07/10 03:15 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: mathews338]
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If you're asking, "would I rather hunt well managed land vs non-managed land," then the answer is easy. Obviously the well managed land. I don't understand why anybody would choose A other than to be stubborn and try to disprove what you're trying to prove.
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#1875889 - 04/07/10 03:43 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: ghosthunter]
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I really wouldn't want to hunt either. I'm not interested in "shoot anything and everything" hunting and I don't want to hunt "mature buck only" property either, especially since the property is only 200 acres.
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#1876130 - 04/07/10 05:56 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: BigWes50]
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 Originally Posted By: BigWes50
B. without a shadow of a doubt! Although with 200acres everybody else around you is going to benefit from YOUR HARD WORK and YOUR MONEY!


You would get kicked off that lease the first year! \:D

Good question. Id say B but that's because I enjoy that type of hunting.
I will say that the personalities of the guys on the lease would be important to me. Ive seen people that take deer hunting so seriously they cant enjoy it.
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#1876374 - 04/07/10 08:04 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: ghosthunter]
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 Originally Posted By: ghosthunter
If you're asking, "would I rather hunt well managed land vs non-managed land," then the answer is easy. Obviously the well managed land. I don't understand why anybody would choose A other than to be stubborn and try to disprove what you're trying to prove.
that is what i think

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#1876377 - 04/07/10 08:06 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I really wouldn't want to hunt either. I'm not interested in "shoot anything and everything" hunting and I don't want to hunt "mature buck only" property either, especially since the property is only 200 acres.
only used 200 acres as example my mistake should have said that the properties were equal in size and let you plug in whatever amount you wanted

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#1876487 - 04/07/10 08:57 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: mathews338]
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Whether it be 200 or 200,000 ,the percentage of hunters that would pick A would be a laughable small amount.
But then again those hunters that would pick A wouldnt have much computition as they would pretty much have it by themshelves,which might persaude me to choose A part of the time anyway.LOL
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#1876720 - 04/08/10 06:01 AM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: mathews338]
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 Originally Posted By: mathews338
 Originally Posted By: MUP
You can only kill 3 bucks in unit A. And I believe the limit of does is 4 per archery, and 4 per ML season, correct?
yes but don't you think that if a group of guys went in there and killed a bunch of deer that it would eventually knock the population back enough that deer sightings would be way down and if the neighbors killed many at all it would just get worse not to mention that if they are killing yearlings chances at mature deer would be almost impossible
i've seen it with my own eyes and have heard hunters say " man this place use to be good but i don't know what happened " i wanted to tell them what the problem was but i held my tongue cause you can't fix stupid therefor it would have done me no good and would have been a waste of my time



Yep, I know that situation all too well. I hunt it all the time. But still manage a decent buck every now and again on my property, which, btw, yields only 1-2 bucks per season on a good year. Buttons, spikes, 4pts, and sixers get a pass on it too, but not from the neighbors. ;\)
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#1876772 - 04/08/10 07:03 AM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: TN RDG RNR]
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 Originally Posted By: TN RDG RNR
 Originally Posted By: BigWes50
B. without a shadow of a doubt! Although with 200acres everybody else around you is going to benefit from YOUR HARD WORK and YOUR MONEY!


You would get kicked off that lease the first year! \:D

Good question. Id say B but that's because I enjoy that type of hunting.
I will say that the personalities of the guys on the lease would be important to me. Ive seen people that take deer hunting so seriously they cant enjoy it.


Who is going to kick me off the other guy that is managing it with me? I was making a point that on 200acres most of your management is going to benefit the surrounding properties as well. And if you have some brown and downers around you, you mine as well not even give it a try!
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#1876777 - 04/08/10 07:06 AM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: mathews338]
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Either........my reasoning is that with only 200 acres to hunt, what the guys did before you won't matter near as much as what the surrounding people did......obviously, you will be surrounded by other hunters so letting mature deer walk is no guarantee the guys around you will.

Every mature deer that you let walk may not make it another day when other hunters in your area don't manage the same way.

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#1876796 - 04/08/10 07:30 AM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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#1876835 - 04/08/10 07:47 AM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: mathews338]
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A OR B. The deer will move back in, even if they are killed like crazy, deer sightings will be a little slower but there will always be a decent buck show up during the rut. Thats my opinion, seems that way every year round my neck of the woods.

Edited by harvester (04/08/10 07:48 AM)

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#1876969 - 04/08/10 09:06 AM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Either........my reasoning is that with only 200 acres to hunt, what the guys did before you won't matter near as much as what the surrounding people did......obviously, you will be surrounded by other hunters so letting mature deer walk is no guarantee the guys around you will.

Every mature deer that you let walk may not make it another day when other hunters in your area don't manage the same way.

BH
well like i told BSK i should have just let you guys plug in the amount you wanted

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#1877209 - 04/08/10 11:32 AM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: mathews338]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Either........my reasoning is that with only 200 acres to hunt, what the guys did before you won't matter near as much as what the surrounding people did......obviously, you will be surrounded by other hunters so letting mature deer walk is no guarantee the guys around you will.

Every mature deer that you let walk may not make it another day when other hunters in your area don't manage the same way.


well like i told BSK i should have just let you guys plug in the amount you wanted



until 15 years ago, I too hunted 200-250 acre tracts. Still today, I do hunt small tracts, some less than 100 acres. I do hunt Chaney as well that is 2600 acres. I hunt them all the same way.....if I want to kill the deer I kill it. If I do not, I let it go, regardless of size.......If a deer comes by me that is not what I think is a shooter, I won't shoot regardless what MAY happen to it when it leaves my sight.

I can't control what other people shoot, that's a fact. One other thing that IS fact.......if I don't let it walk, it won't make it to next year regardless of what my neighbor does. It may get shot that same day or soon......OR.....it may NOT go by the neighbors when they are hunting and thusly make it to next season.

Basically, I worry about my area and make choices based on my goals.......nothing else matters to me simply because I can't control it.

now if I could vote for a size limit statewide, I would.......

I know what it's like to watch a deer walk past you and get shot as soon as they cross the line......

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Edited by Bottom Hunter (04/08/10 11:34 AM)
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#1877472 - 04/08/10 02:21 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: mathews338
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Either........my reasoning is that with only 200 acres to hunt, what the guys did before you won't matter near as much as what the surrounding people did......obviously, you will be surrounded by other hunters so letting mature deer walk is no guarantee the guys around you will.

Every mature deer that you let walk may not make it another day when other hunters in your area don't manage the same way.


well like i told BSK i should have just let you guys plug in the amount you wanted



until 15 years ago, I too hunted 200-250 acre tracts. Still today, I do hunt small tracts, some less than 100 acres. I do hunt Chaney as well that is 2600 acres. I hunt them all the same way.....if I want to kill the deer I kill it. If I do not, I let it go, regardless of size.......If a deer comes by me that is not what I think is a shooter, I won't shoot regardless what MAY happen to it when it leaves my sight.

I can't control what other people shoot, that's a fact. One other thing that IS fact.......if I don't let it walk, it won't make it to next year regardless of what my neighbor does. It may get shot that same day or soon......OR.....it may NOT go by the neighbors when they are hunting and thusly make it to next season.

Basically, I worry about my area and make choices based on my goals.......nothing else matters to me simply because I can't control it.

now if I could vote for a size limit statewide, I would.......

I know what it's like to watch a deer walk past you and get shot as soon as they cross the line......

BH
i agree 100% i used to get ticked off when i let one walk and the guy across the fence shot it and i would often think why am i letting them go it doesn't do me any good but after a few seasons i began to realize that if i killed it then it would have no chance and the other guy was only killing 2 young bucks a year on avg. so he was not hurting me as much as i thought since i was letting several more than that walk every year but that was years ago and i was not being very mature about it

if there were more hunters besides just him at that time then it might have been a different story if they also were killing as many as he was

all i was saying is that if you took 2 properties equal in size and 1 has been hunted to death and the other has had very little pressure most hunters would want to hunt the one that has had less pressure but they would get on here and argue that lesser limits don't help and that to me is being 2 faced

that is just the way i feel but it doesn't mean i'm right it's JMO

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#1877704 - 04/08/10 05:09 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: mathews338]
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A. for me its not Big bucks or nothing. I just like to hunt and then shoot what I feel like shooting. Some days I am looking for big bucks. other days its what ever I feel like. I bow hunt only so I look at every deer as a trophy. I just like the freedom the State of TN gives us for each person to make their own decisions on what is worth shooting.
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#1877760 - 04/08/10 05:26 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: ]
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#1878324 - 04/08/10 10:55 PM Re: which would you hunt ? [Re: ]
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Either, since I primarily hunt public land.
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