#1873712 - 04/06/10 07:46 AM
Re: It is, what it is...............
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What if TWRA is correct and that TN has met it's maximum potential.
I don't think the TWRA has said that.
Now unquestionably the best ares of the state have probably topped-out age-structure-wise. But that leaves much of the state to continue improving.
Now how far will it go? Very hard to say. And are we talking actually age structure of the pre-hunt herd or what hunters are killing?
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#1873715 - 04/06/10 07:49 AM
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What if TWRA is correct and that TN has met it's maximum potential. I don't think the TWRA has said that. Now unquestionably the best ares of the state have probably topped-out age-structure-wise. But that leaves much of the state to continue improving. Now how far will it go? Very hard to say. And are we talking actually age structure of the pre-hunt herd or what hunters are killing?
I meant correct with there regs on buck limits.... and TN has met its maximum potential under these regs.....
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#1873807 - 04/06/10 09:06 AM
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What if TWRA is correct and that TN has met it's maximum potential.
All I have heard TWRA say is things keep improving every year. Never heard them say anything at all about reaching maximum potential under these or any other regulations. How could anyone think we have reached maximum potential with reports that say we are still improving every year.
I meant correct with there regs on buck limits.... and TN has met its maximum potential under these regs.....
My understanding is we are still slowly improving under current regs. Some just want the process sped up some.
Are you now saying you believe the regulations will need to be changed for any future improvement with bucks? Doesn't that go against all the other arguing and pot stirring you have been doing?
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#1873816 - 04/06/10 09:09 AM
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I think it will always be debated forever, unless the regs are actually changed and people will see what a lower limit will actually do for TN deer herd. Then they will want a higher one! A lower buck limit will just decrease the number of older bucks killed, just like it does in KY!
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#1873840 - 04/06/10 09:18 AM
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the proof is in the puddin all you have to do is look at what hunters with large tracts of land and manage it for mature deer by letting small ones walk and only taking out a certain # of bucks per year instead of 3 per hunter and the difference is incredible
but to answer your ?'s -1. no it has not reached it's potential
2. yes i can live with what it is now
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#1874000 - 04/06/10 10:51 AM
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I meant correct with there regs on buck limits.... and TN has met its maximum potential under these regs.....
I don't believe the TWRA has said that. The older-age buck harvests continue to improve every year, even though they have been slowly liberalizing the buck limits ever since 1998.
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#1874018 - 04/06/10 10:56 AM
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I think it will always be debated forever, unless the regs are actually changed and people will see what a lower limit will actually do for TN deer herd. Then they will want a higher one! A lower buck limit will just decrease the number of older bucks killed, just like it does in KY! the only thing i disagree with you is that it is only by choice that KY kills what they kill the lower buck limit...
If you are implying that hunters are holding out for older bucks because of the lower limits hence decreasing the buck harvest? If so, the data does not support that idea.
IMO has put more older age class bucks in that state but i think the short firearms season doesn't allow KY to show what it is capable of
Now THAT I agree with, and why I said RAISING the limit (or lengthening the gun season) would allow KY to show what it is really capable of.
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#1874026 - 04/06/10 10:58 AM
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Tree Tramp,
Some hunters really do understand science and data. Some do not (or understand it but refuse to accept truths they don't like). And that will never change.
I'm only interested in having conversations with hunters that do understand science.
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#1874082 - 04/06/10 11:47 AM
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I think it will always be debated forever, unless the regs are actually changed and people will see what a lower limit will actually do for TN deer herd. Then they will want a higher one! A lower buck limit will just decrease the number of older bucks killed, just like it does in KY! the only thing i disagree with you is that it is only by choice that KY kills what they kill the lower buck limit... If you are implying that hunters are holding out for older bucks because of the lower limits hence decreasing the buck harvest? If so, the data does not support that idea. IMO has put more older age class bucks in that state but i think the short firearms season doesn't allow KY to show what it is capable of Now THAT I agree with, and why I said RAISING the limit (or lengthening the gun season) would allow KY to show what it is really capable of.
as an example- the guy i hunt on lets other people hunt also and one guy i have become good friends with, he does not bow hunt nor does he muzzleloader hunt and because of work he only gets to hunt 4 to 5 days per year so he shoots the first thing he buck that walks out
me on the other hand, i hunt with all 3 weapons and go alot and will only shoot a mature buck
another point is that the data IMO from both states is not comparable because KY collection process is nowhere close to ours and TN is headed in that direction also
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Lets hear some about TV shows and how the habitat here is pathetic. 
