#1873499 - 04/05/10 10:30 PM
It is, what it is...............
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gator-n-buck
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I have read a lot of TN magazines and a lot of post on here over the yrs... I know a lot of guys want to debate buck limits in the quest to try to improve the age structure (antlers). What if TWRA is correct and that TN has met it's maximum potential. I know some guys don't want to hear this since they have put in a lot of sweat and hours into improving their chances... What if, it is, what it is... can you live with that or will we be debating this for years to come?
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#1873559 - 04/05/10 11:06 PM
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I think it will always be debated forever, unless the regs are actually changed and people will see what a lower limit will actually do for TN deer herd.
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#1873570 - 04/05/10 11:21 PM
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RKenney
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"It is, what it is"......what you want to make it. Not want you
expect the regulations to make for you.
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#1873578 - 04/05/10 11:35 PM
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gil1
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I know a lot of guys want to debate buck limits in the quest to try to improve the age structure (antlers). What if TWRA is correct and that TN has met it's maximum potential.
How do you mean? When did TWRA say thais? Certainly, if TWRA wanted to improve age structure, they would implement antler requirements like President's Island statewide. If they wanted a an even buck to doe ratio, they would reduce the buck limit.
TN isn't even close to reaching its potential. We don't have many older class bucks because TWRA doesn't manage for that. They try to balance managing the resource with managing the hunter's wishes.
Certainly lots of hunters wish for more management, but lots of hunters would raise heck if the resource were managed more for antlers, age, and buck to doe ratios than some hunters who just want to kill the first deer that walks by.
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#1873627 - 04/06/10 05:58 AM
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ghosthunter
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I don't recall TWRA stating that the state was at its maximum potential. And what is maximum potential? Potential for a healthy herd? Balanced buck to doe ratio? Older class deer, etc.? Potential just depends on what is trying to be achieved. But, it is what it is with the current regulations in place. But the herd structure can change slowly with the mindset of hunters changing. Can the dynamics of the herd be changed with regulation changes? Absolutely! I hear many people say that it wouldn't make a difference if the limit was lowered, and if this is true then why did TWRA up the limit for doe harvests in Unit L? What were they trying to accomplish with the regulation change? And if limit changes don't have an affect, then why have limits in the first place?
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#1873659 - 04/06/10 06:49 AM
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smstone22
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People that own their own place and manage it well know without a doubt that TN is not even close. When you see the difference between a well managed property and regular ol chunk of TN hunting land, the difference is well defined. I dont recall the TWRA ever making that statement though.
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#1873660 - 04/06/10 06:51 AM
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stik
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I think it will always be debated forever, unless the regs are actually changed and people will see what a lower limit will actually do for TN deer herd.
or won't do.
We don't have many older class bucks because TWRA doesn't manage for that.
we have as many older class bucks as anybody else.
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#1873662 - 04/06/10 07:03 AM
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my question would be this.....How would anyone know that the potential has been met?
How many 4.5 -5.5 year old bucks are being killed yearly? Is that number large enough to reach such a conclusion?
I beg to differ......
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#1873697 - 04/06/10 07:39 AM
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I think it will always be debated forever, unless the regs are actually changed and people will see what a lower limit will actually do for TN deer herd.
Then they will want a higher one! A lower buck limit will just decrease the number of older bucks killed, just like it does in KY!
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#1873708 - 04/06/10 07:44 AM
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If they wanted a an even buck to doe ratio, they would reduce the buck limit.
Actually, a near 50/50 harvest ratio of males and females like is occurring in many Unit L counties will produce a balanced sex ratio (and already has in some areas).
TN isn't even close to reaching its potential. We don't have many older class bucks because TWRA doesn't manage for that.
Honestly, some parts of TN have a perfectly adequate number of mature bucks. Now the low deer density and high hunter density areas of the state will always struggle to grow an adequate number of mature bucks. It would take either highly restrictive buck limits or continued change in hunter attitude about what they want to kill buck-wise to make a big difference.
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