#1870848 - 04/04/10 02:00 PM
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Yea man I hear ya....I don't care what other people do, or if they change the regs or not. I will obide by them any way they put em.
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#1871914 - 04/05/10 07:39 AM
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Well if the limit is 1 and everybody kills thier one MATURE buck a year.
The problem is, that doesn't happen. With a 1 buck limit, "everybody" doesn't kill their one mature buck. In fact, far FEWER mature bucks are killed in a 1 buck limit environment than what we have.
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#1871919 - 04/05/10 07:42 AM
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Well if the limit is 1 and everybody kills thier one MATURE buck a year. The problem is, that doesn't happen. With a 1 buck limit, "everybody" doesn't kill their one mature buck. In fact, far FEWER mature bucks are killed in a 1 buck limit environment than what we have.
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#1871920 - 04/05/10 07:43 AM
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i am not a big buck OR a limit hunter. i just want meat in the freezer.
Amen.
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#1871924 - 04/05/10 07:44 AM
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KY has had their limit for years yet TN hunters, year after year, kill considerably more older to mature bucks than KY does. Now without a doubt, the lower limit must be growing more older bucks, but if hunters never benefit from this in the way of harvests, what's the point? A bird in hand is better than two in the bush.
What trophy hunter wouldn't want a system that consistantly produces more harvested mature bucks?
Not really wanting to get into this,but isnt there a BIG difference between "Trophy" and "mature"?There is no comparison in that status,trophy,between the 2 states.Isnt that true,not an opinion,but in the books?
ABSOLUTELY. And that is a point I've been trying to get across for years. TN hunters kill far more older to mature bucks than KY hunters do. But KY hunters probably kill more true "trophy" bucks because so many parts of KY produce greater antler development than most of TN. But KY's 1 buck limit has virtually nothing to do with the number of "trophy" bucks being killed. They are just lucky to have the habitat that produces exceptional antler development, even on bucks less than mature.
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#1871935 - 04/05/10 07:54 AM
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Agreed on habitat,I also believe less gun pressure helps,but the 1 buck limit has "virtually nothing" to do with it,Im not arguing,I guess your point is that so few people would kill more than one that it wouldnt make that much of an impact.
I "sort of" agree,but not completely sold on that idea,when your talking high end bucks.
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#1871986 - 04/05/10 08:19 AM
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Agreed on habitat,I also believe less gun pressure helps,...
Again, you're assuming they are killing more mature bucks. They are not.
I guess your point is that so few people would kill more than one that it wouldnt make that much of an impact.
No, my point is they aren't killing more older bucks than we are. In TN we kill more total bucks and more bucks of every age-class, from young to mature. But KY hunters kill more "trophy" bucks because their bucks grow more antler at each age-class than TN bucks do. If we had the same haibitat, we would blow away KY for trophy production because we kill so many more older to mature bucks than they do.
Our lack of "trophy" buck production in TN has nothing to do with the age of the bucks we are killing and has everything to do with our habitat.
Because the data doesn't exist but is so important to this discussion, I would love to see an industrious group of grad students set up a study where they aged and measured every buck coming in to processors in several locations in KY, and then do the same in TN. I would love to know what the average gross score of each age-class of harvested buck in these various locations is. I bet the results would be very illuminating.
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#1872354 - 04/05/10 11:14 AM
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Good grief.
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#1872372 - 04/05/10 11:21 AM
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Well ofcourse we kill more total bucks in TN than they do in KY.....3 bucks to 1. You could pretty much assume that without even looking at data. And ofcourse we kill more bucks from every age class.....AGAIN 3 bucks to 1. I know tons of people who hunt in KY and they don't kill any young bucks. Guess why????? I buck limit!! And yes they do have better habitat for producing better antler development.
And you cannot sit there and tell me that a 2.5 yr old buck will not be twice the size at the age of 5 yrs old. It is very simple the older the buck the bigger the rack...to a certain point ofcourse. And yes I do believe they have bigger antler development for each age class. But how many times have you been at the checking station and a guy brings a deer in that has antler development beyond his age?? I have seen this numerous times in TN.
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#1872422 - 04/05/10 12:06 PM
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Agreed on habitat,I also believe less gun pressure helps,... Again, you're assuming they are killing more mature bucks. They are not. I guess your point is that so few people would kill more than one that it wouldnt make that much of an impact. No, my point is they aren't killing more older bucks than we are. In TN we kill more total bucks and more bucks of every age-class, from young to mature. But KY hunters kill more "trophy" bucks because their bucks grow more antler at each age-class than TN bucks do. If we had the same haibitat, we would blow away KY for trophy production because we kill so many more older to mature bucks than they do. Our lack of "trophy" buck production in TN has nothing to do with the age of the bucks we are killing and has everything to do with our habitat. Because the data doesn't exist but is so important to this discussion, I would love to see an industrious group of grad students set up a study where they aged and measured every buck coming in to processors in several locations in KY, and then do the same in TN. I would love to know what the average gross score of each age-class of harvested buck in these various locations is. I bet the results would be very illuminating.
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