#1870121 - 04/03/10 08:22 PM
Re: First come, first served.........
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Diehard Hunter
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What your are talking about is called "Tragedy of the commons". without someone taking responsibility for a resource that belongs to all, the resource will be over-exploited, more-so by some than others. In the end, everyone takes the stance that they are entitled to "their" part because the resource belongs to all, and it is someone elses responsibility to take care of it.
Take some time and watch how people treat a common resource, be it a school desk paid for with your tax dollars, a city park picnic area, or anything else "owned" by the people.
To answer your question....While most will say yes they are, in reality, very few will because they have a sense of entitlement since the resource belongs to all. In the end, it is always "first come, first served"!
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#1870151 - 04/03/10 08:39 PM
Re: First come, first served.........
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Beekeeper
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Should we think more about "sharing" this resource or do we just need to think that all hunters have the same opportunites that we do and thus if we go out there and kill more than we can use, then it's our right?
Maybe your neighbor doesn't have the vacation time or even the funding to go hunting as much as you but still would like to take a few deer each season for the freezer. By the time they get out there, you've killed most of them and scared the heck out of the rest of them....
I guess I'm asking this question. Would you be willing to lessen your kill numbers to the number of deer that you need for the freezer in order to let your neighbor have some of the same success OR are you more willing to take the attitude of "FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED."
What you are proposing is a welfare system for under-skilled hunters. If you make it where every hunter can kill a deer no matter how much time and effort they put into it, what motivation would the under-skilled hunters have to improve their skills?
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#1870255 - 04/03/10 09:12 PM
Re: First come, first served.........
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Tree Tramp
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Another good post BH.
Well i was always taught you where supposed to leave it better than you found it. Part of my hunting, fishing, and outdoor adventures revolve around just that. Deer hunting is no different. Like to see deer hunting in TN be the best she can be and part of that revolves around hunters own personal responsibility and around regulations that help keep us between the ditches. Thankfully TWRA takes massive amounts of information on a statewide scale and comes up with good educated wildlife managment decisions far beyond most hunters understanding. However i know in my heart she can be a better deer state and i want to see it. From myself, fella hunters, and the agency. 
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#1870362 - 04/03/10 11:52 PM
Re: First come, first served.........
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RKenney
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I think the reason most hunters don't reach their 3 buck limit,
is because (nowdays) most hunters don't shoot 3 baby bucks. I
know some do, but not most. If you shot every buck that you saw
that had over 3" of antler over an entire season, how many could
you kill......and would you brag about it?
I know, "they shore do eats good".
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#1870484 - 04/04/10 08:31 AM
Re: First come, first served.........
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Mike Belt
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#1870506 - 04/04/10 08:56 AM
Re: First come, first served.........
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BSK
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I think the reason most hunters don't reach their 3 buck limit,
is because (nowdays) most hunters don't shoot 3 baby bucks.
The problem with that theory is TN deer hunters have always had a fairly low success rate at killing even one buck per year, even before QDM or trophy fever came around.
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#1870783 - 04/04/10 12:01 PM
Re: First come, first served.........
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Football Hunter
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I think the reason most hunters don't reach their 3 buck limit,
is because (nowdays) most hunters don't shoot 3 baby bucks. The problem with that theory is TN deer hunters have always had a fairly low success rate at killing even one buck per year, even before QDM or trophy fever came around.
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#1870939 - 04/04/10 04:08 PM
Re: First come, first served.........
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smstone22
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Loc: Allardt, TN
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Some people just want to take and take from the resource. Without ever giving thought to giving back to the resource and leaving it better than they found it. Deer herds may have well met or exceeded social carrying capacity in some areas of TN but they arent even close to biological or social carrying capacity in many others, like my county. I think to often what hunters want is emplaced over what really needs to be done for the good of the resource. Of course I realize though that many have different definitions of what is "good". Mine is rather conservative and always on the side of conservation and errs on the side of caution. The buck limit and the turkey limit that is emplaced on my county quite frankly disappoints me, and its not because I believe anything is being taken from my harvest because of it, I kill however many I choose to any given year, it just bluntly attacks my conservationist mindset. Anyway, good post BH
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#1871090 - 04/04/10 06:56 PM
Re: First come, first served.........
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Football Hunter
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Loc: Wilson Co/Perry Co
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Some people just want to take and take from the resource. Without ever giving thought to giving back to the resource and leaving it better than they found it. Deer herds may have well met or exceeded social carrying capacity in some areas of TN but they arent even close to biological or social carrying capacity in many others, like my county. I think to often what hunters want is emplaced over what really needs to be done for the good of the resource. Of course I realize though that many have different definitions of what is "good". Mine is rather conservative and always on the side of conservation and errs on the side of caution. The buck limit and the turkey limit that is emplaced on my county quite frankly disappoints me, and its not because I believe anything is being taken from my harvest because of it, I kill however many I choose to any given year, it just bluntly attacks my conservationist mindset. Anyway, good post BH
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