#1869396 - 04/03/10 01:53 AM
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Great post Spoonbill! I hope every hunter including my neighbor kills the TN buck they dream of, however i think we need to provide the best opportunity for EVERY type. That's EXACTLY why im a "1 bucker".
Ive said it before, if someone likes to hunt older bucks and passes everything only to have the resource shalacked on the next property is turkey jizz. It aint right. It happens to alot of hunters in TN including myself and it aint right. Chuck Freaking Norris couldnt kill a mature buck within 5 miles of my place.  There IS middle ground and it sure as hell aint 3 bucks and 0 does.
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#1869472 - 04/03/10 08:13 AM
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...but I think most on this site jump to the conclusion that all trophy hunters want the rules changed for thier own benefit.
That's why I said "some" trophy hunters. Not all trophy hunters want others to be limited.
But has it ever occurred to you that the "1 buck limit" hunters want this not just for themselves but for everyone in the state? Obviously changing the rules will have a good and bad effect either way you go about it...
My problem with this idea is that hunters think it would help. I question whether it would help from a "results on the meat pole" perspective. When you compare an area that has a similar deer density to TN and that has a 1 buck limit (KY), that limit greatly DECREASES the harvest of older to mature bucks. How is that a help to the trophy hunter?
One of the reasons I disagree with a 1 buck limit is because as a semi-trophy hunter (mature buck hunter) I think a 1 buck limit would be detrimental to mature buck hunting. In essence, it limits the harvests of "any age" buck hunters while also decreasing the harvest of older bucks. That's a lose-lose proposition.
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#1869565 - 04/03/10 09:36 AM
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i am not a big buck OR a limit hunter. i just want meat in the freezer. X2 X3
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I'm pretty much content killing one or two a year. If I kill more than that, then that's just icing on the cake.
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#1869853 - 04/03/10 05:05 PM
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I see where your coming from there BSK. But in return wouldn't a decrease in mature buck harvest produce more mature bucks? I know a mature buck is really hard to kill, and most properties here in TN only have 1 maybe 2 mature bucks on the property during a given year. Wouldn't this increase your chances of killing a mature deer if the population of mature deer increase over time based on your theory?
And I understand that younger age bucks harvest will decrease because nobody wants to spend thier buck on the first spike that walks through the woods. Most people would like to kill a decent size 8 point or something like that if there was a 1 buck limit. But reverting back to my previous point, wouldn't the decrease in younger buck harvest also produce more mature bucks? This sounds like a WIN WIN situation to me!!! If the mature buck harvest is down as well as the younger buck harvest, then why wouldn't the number of mature bucks on each property atleast double over a couple of years???
Believe me i'm in no way opposing what rules and regulations we have now. I wouldn't care if they changed the buck limit to 1 or 4 per year. I'm going to hunt the way I want to and only shoot 1 buck per year like I do anyways, and everybody else will do as they will. And that is how it should be, but on topics like these there is always more than one way to look at it.
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#1870497 - 04/04/10 08:52 AM
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I see where your coming from there BSK. But in return wouldn't a decrease in mature buck harvest produce more mature bucks?
Wouldn't this increase your chances of killing a mature deer if the population of mature deer increase over time based on your theory?
Apparently not. KY has had their limit for years yet TN hunters, year after year, kill considerably more older to mature bucks than KY does. Now without a doubt, the lower limit must be growing more older bucks, but if hunters never benefit from this in the way of harvests, what's the point? A bird in hand is better than two in the bush.
What trophy hunter wouldn't want a system that consistantly produces more harvested mature bucks?
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#1870759 - 04/04/10 11:25 AM
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Well if the limit is 1 and everybody kills thier one MATURE buck a year. Then why does it matter if the harvest is down???? There are some of the lucky few that have property that can produce 2 or more mature bucks a year. But for most of us here thats not the case. If I had a property like some have on here, there is no prayer to kill a mature buck due to others shooting all the yearling bucks, then I would definately be all for the 1 buck limit. Would it not increase the chances of you killing a mature buck if people were more selective around you? And in turn I bet you that they wouldn't mind killing bigger deer either. Most of the time areas get this way because everybody knows that if you don't shoot that little 4 pointer that walks in then next week when Bubba over on the other place is gonna take him out. So everybody shoots what they see and nobody kills a mature deer.
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#1870780 - 04/04/10 11:55 AM
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I see where your coming from there BSK. But in return wouldn't a decrease in mature buck harvest produce more mature bucks?
Wouldn't this increase your chances of killing a mature deer if the population of mature deer increase over time based on your theory? Apparently not. KY has had their limit for years yet TN hunters, year after year, kill considerably more older to mature bucks than KY does. Now without a doubt, the lower limit must be growing more older bucks, but if hunters never benefit from this in the way of harvests, what's the point? A bird in hand is better than two in the bush. What trophy hunter wouldn't want a system that consistantly produces more harvested mature bucks?
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#1870782 - 04/04/10 11:58 AM
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...but I think most on this site jump to the conclusion that all trophy hunters want the rules changed for thier own benefit. That's why I said "some" trophy hunters. Not all trophy hunters want others to be limited. But has it ever occurred to you that the "1 buck limit" hunters want this not just for themselves but for everyone in the state? Obviously changing the rules will have a good and bad effect either way you go about it... My problem with this idea is that hunters think it would help. I question whether it would help from a "results on the meat pole" perspective. When you compare an area that has a similar deer density to TN and that has a 1 buck limit (KY), that limit greatly DECREASES the harvest of older to mature bucks. How is that a help to the trophy hunter? One of the reasons I disagree with a 1 buck limit is because as a semi-trophy hunter (mature buck hunter) I think a 1 buck limit would be detrimental to mature buck hunting. In essence, it limits the harvests of "any age" buck hunters while also decreasing the harvest of older bucks. That's a lose-lose proposition.
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#1870790 - 04/04/10 12:06 PM
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[/quote]Wouldnt to some extent,the decrease in mature/trophy buck harvest lead to more of them in the woods next year?Dangit,I promised myself I was out on this stuff,but the math just doesnt seem to add up to me. [/quote]
Yea i'm with you on this one, just not adding up to me? Seems to me that if there is more in the woods then there is a better chance of everyone killing a mature/trophy buck.
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#1870826 - 04/04/10 01:01 PM
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[/quote]Wouldnt to some extent,the decrease in mature/trophy buck harvest lead to more of them in the woods next year?Dangit,I promised myself I was out on this stuff,but the math just doesnt seem to add up to me.
Yea i'm with you on this one, just not adding up to me? Seems to me that if there is more in the woods then there is a better chance of everyone killing a mature/trophy buck. [/quote]
FootballHunter:
Bottom line is this for me,I really dont give a rats @$$ what other people do ,I have found myself a little oasis,I can let em walk,and have some expectation they will get older/bigger.Thats great,young/small bucks are interesting to watch,not shoot,to me.
Not sure why this didnt quote in the normal way?Sorry if its confusing.
Edited by Football Hunter (04/04/10 01:08 PM)
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