#1869547 - 04/03/10 09:11 AM
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Let's get real for a minute and dive right in to the whole concept of limits and regulations.......okay?
Why do organizations like the TWRA set limits and regulations for hunting and fishing? A very simply answer would be that they do so because the average man has no since of responsibility or ethics and hence can't "police" themselves. The TWRA has to do the "policing" for them to insure that future generations will have game to hunt and fish for.
With that being said, does the talk of smaller bag limits and even more regulations for the hunters spark so much controversy because hunters are basically selfish in nature...?
Do deer hunters, in particular, prefer more liberal limits because they don't like people telling them what to do or because they are greedy and selfish? If you as a deer hunter kills the limit every year, would your kill numbers go up if the limit went up , even if you had no personal use for the deer...?
Do many hunters each season kill deer that they neither want or need and many times have to find someone to give the deer to?
It's like going fishing and catching as many fish as you can for the sport of it without even thinking about the fact that someone may indeed come in behind you and have no fish to catch for supper.....
Many times here I read this statement....."If it's legal, I'll kill it."
This does not just mean antler size or sex but if the TWRA says I can legally kill ten deer, then I'll kill ten deer, even if I have to give away five of them, hence have no personal need to take that many.
Many hunters gloat about success and about the number of deer that they kill every year, while others struggle to kill one or two.
Do we as hunters have a responsibility to "leave some for seed" or do we as hunters have the right to kill and kill until we've had our fill of the "thrill"..?
Should we as hunters think less about our own personal numbers and more about the number of hunters that have the chance to kill a deer each season.
Should we think more about "sharing" this resource or do we just need to think that all hunters have the same opportunites that we do and thus if we go out there and kill more than we can use, then it's our right?
Maybe your neighbor doesn't have the vacation time or even the funding to go hunting as much as you but still would like to take a few deer each season for the freezer. By the time they get out there, you've killed most of them and scared the heck out of the rest of them....
I guess I'm asking this question. Would you be willing to lessen your kill numbers to the number of deer that you need for the freezer in order to let your neighbor have some of the same success OR are you more willing to take the attitude of "FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED."
Not dishing anyone here because I've lived both ways.......
just wondering ?
BH
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#1869575 - 04/03/10 09:49 AM
Re: First come, first served.........
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As for limits, I'm a firm believer in allowing hunters the maximum freedom of harvest that won't harm the resource. Little evidence exists that lower limits "spreads out the harvest" to more hunters. Generally, those that are successful will always be successful, and allowing a higher limit simply allows already successful hunters to be more successful.
Personally, I don't kill more than I can use. The group I hunt with stops killing deer if we have enough in the cooler. But I also believe that what we kill has little impact on our neighbors.
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#1869584 - 04/03/10 10:00 AM
Re: First come, first served.........
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IMO, I think you are off base on this one. The average hunter is going to take what they need/want. The exceptional hunter will take far more than what they need, but usually find a good source for that meet to go to. Game laws are there for the violaters and to protect the resource.
As far as current regulations, through the years we have seen them become less restrictive on limits as the populations grow to support healthy populations. I would like to think that hunters of the past hunted for need to support their families in our agriculturally based society. As times have changed and we have become more industrialized and urbanized the need for hunting has gone down.
as for your comment: Many times here I read this statement....."If it's legal, I'll kill it."
I think this pertains to age/sex of the deer and not limits for the most part.
In the future, I see limits going up due to the number of hunters going down. If things become severe enough, a bounty may even be placed on deer to encourage herd reductions or other actions demanding more does be shot before bucks can be shot.
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#1869607 - 04/03/10 10:35 AM
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#1869610 - 04/03/10 10:38 AM
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Very Insightful thought
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#1869650 - 04/03/10 11:43 AM
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If every hunter killed the limit the agency imposed, we'd have a one deer limit for the entire year.
The good news is, they don't.
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#1869737 - 04/03/10 01:37 PM
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BH,
I agree with you about the selfish potential that exists. But in my opinion, it is not a matter of being selfish as much as being skilled. At least when it comes to the numbers of deer killed by a particular hunter.
I am always willing to help a hunter in killing. Problem is, I can't pull the release trigger for them. I have long ago lost track of how many hunters I have put in a position to kill deer, or turkey, or dove, only to watch them miss, or spook the animal before getting the shot.
It gets kinda frustrating after a while. And talk about screwing up a good thing. Try taking a "buddy" to a public hunting area, where they can go back once they learn your honey hole, and watch what happens. If it were a lease or private property situation, things might be different. Still, there have been a few GREAT hunts to remember. Ones that hooked guys for life and brought them into "our world" permanently. Those are the ones that make it all worthwhile.
As far as leaving "some for seed"...TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THIS...there may be a whole lot of hunting going on in the deer and turkey woods, but there really ain't that much killin.
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#1869742 - 04/03/10 02:03 PM
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If every hunter killed the limit the agency imposed, we'd have a one deer limit for the entire year.
The good news is, they don't.
BGG,
Any estimate on the percent of the total pre-hunt deer population that hunters actually kill during the season?
Is it over 30%?
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