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#1866188 - 03/31/10 10:06 PM Have You Set Your Sights Too High?
gator-n-buck
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I read this article by Mark Kayer in a Mag. of North American Hunter. I know this is a surprise since on one occasion a memeber told me I must not read. This article reminded me of several post that I have read on TN Deer in the past. He starts out talking about television shows, Internet, and even Magazines that we read can often be mis-leading in the world of white-tail deer. He states that it is human nature to show the "best of the best" so regardless of the media source, the owners of these domains want to lure you in with the biggest white-tails possible. He even mentioned, how many TV shows would you watch if they were killing spikes and does.

Without considering the facts he states that hunters believe with a enough hard hunting and a little luck, a giant will eventually walk in front of them to make their dreams come true. He states that he wish it were that simple, but if you set your sights too high, you might be setting yourself up for not only a disappointing season, but also a lackluster whitetail career.

He talked about instead of hunting for a deer you have a realistic chance of encountering, you might be hunting for the proverbial needle in the haystack-deer that simply can't be found in the your zip code. He goes on to talk about hunters should look at the bucks being checked in and the bucks that your fellow hunters have killed around you.... This article goes on but I just hit a few high points

Very interesting suff.... ;\)

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#1866218 - 03/31/10 10:17 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: gator-n-buck]
budro2
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I read this article by Mark Kayer in a Mag. of North American Hunter. I know this is a surprise since on one occasion a memeber told me I must not read. This article reminded me of several post that I have read on TN Deer in the past. He starts out talking about television shows, Internet, and even Magazines that we read can often be mis-leading in the world of white-tail deer. He states that it is human nature to show the "best of the best" so regardless of the media source, the owners of these domains want to lure you in with the biggest white-tails possible. He even mentioned, how many TV shows would you watch if they were killing spikes and does.

Without considering the facts he states that hunters believe with a enough hard hunting and a little luck, a giant will eventually walk in front of them to make their dreams come true. He states that he wish it were that simple, but if you set your sights too high, you might be setting yourself up for not only a disappointing season, but also a lackluster whitetail career.

He talked about instead of hunting for a deer you have a realistic chance of encountering, you might be hunting for the proverbial needle in the haystack-deer that simply can't be found in the your zip code. He goes on to talk about hunters should look at the bucks being checked in and the bucks that your fellow hunters have killed around you.... This article goes on but I just hit a few high points

Very interesting suff.... ;\)


The guy that wrote that must hunt in this state! \:D

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#1866284 - 03/31/10 10:37 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: budro2]
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#1866304 - 03/31/10 10:46 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: Bertman]
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#1866357 - 04/01/10 01:06 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: RKenney]
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Nope...and have no problem going a couple years or longer not pulling the trigger.
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#1866408 - 04/01/10 05:57 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: baller_9]
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I try not to shoot any buck unless it's going to be mounted. That's my personal goal. Last year I didn't kill anything for the wall and I'm ok with that. In a state that supposedly harvest more mature bucks than most states, I'd say setting the sights too high shouldn't be a problem.
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#1866465 - 04/01/10 07:05 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: ghosthunter]
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I have no EXPECTATIONS that I don't expect can come true. there have been 180s and above taken in my area and there are more out there, IMO.

I won't pass a 130, but if passing a 100-120 will help me maybe get a 160 plus, then that's what i expect to happen, eventually.

i don't believe that 180 deer are so rare that they are impossible to kill.......I have no doubt that deer of that size inhabit Chaney or nearby and may indeed come through there during the rut. If so, I'll try to be there when he makes his move.

Another farm that i hunt has a very large, dense cutover woods on it that could very easily hold a very mature monster. Going in there to kill him is probably impossible, but waiting on him to mess up is not impossible.....

Nothing is impossible, IMO.

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#1866565 - 04/01/10 07:58 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Unrealistic expectations is the biggest problem currently plaguing deer hunting and deer management.
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#1866673 - 04/01/10 09:09 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: BSK]
kldeerkiller
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Unrealistic expectations is the biggest problem currently plaguing deer hunting and deer management.

I agree

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#1866691 - 04/01/10 09:19 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: kldeerkiller]
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No. I've killed a deer every year but one for the last 30 years.

I figure if my sights where to high I would be shooting over them. \:D \:D \:D
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#1866694 - 04/01/10 09:20 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: kldeerkiller]
mathews338
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i don't have unrealistic expectations

i know whats out there and i set my goals to it

on my farm if your looking for something over 130 you'd be better off sleeping in cause it would be a waste of your time

never have i seen or got pic of or has any of my neighbors ever seen any thing bigger and there have been some olds ones come off of it every year but they just don't score much

my place in KY is a different story

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#1866725 - 04/01/10 09:41 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: kldeerkiller]
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My expectations are only to enjoy what the good LORD has provided me with. Enjoying the sights and sounds of the outdoors, and the anticipation of what could happen at any given moment are the reasons I'm there. I've been fortunate enough to take a few nice deer over the years, but thats just iceing on the cake...to be there..."PRICELESS"
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#1866746 - 04/01/10 09:51 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: Rowdy]
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A little common sense goes a long way. if more hunters would use just that, their wouldnt be such a huge gap in expectations/reality!
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#1866812 - 04/01/10 10:20 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: Winchester]
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Absolutely I have set my sights too high for TN...

The past two years, I have been holding out for 4.5 yr old bucks, which I now realize is simply an unrealistic goal to have in TN. There just aren't enough bucks that make it to that age in TN in huntable numbers.

I'll just settle for 3.5 yr olds, and know that every 3rd or 4th year, I'll get a 4.5 yr old.

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#1866872 - 04/01/10 10:55 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: megalomaniac]
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Winchester and BSK hit the nail on the head IMO. I try to set realistic goals for the area that I am hunting.
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#1866909 - 04/01/10 11:24 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: kldeerkiller]
Coach
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 Originally Posted By: kldeerkiller
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Unrealistic expectations is the biggest problem currently plaguing deer hunting and deer management.

I agree


Yep...big difference between "hoping" and "expecting"
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#1866961 - 04/01/10 12:00 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: Rowdy]
MUP
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 Originally Posted By: Rowdy
My expectations are only to enjoy what the good LORD has provided me with. Enjoying the sights and sounds of the outdoors, and the anticipation of what could happen at any given moment are the reasons I'm there. I've been fortunate enough to take a few nice deer over the years, but thats just iceing on the cake...to be there..."PRICELESS"



Yep. ;\)
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#1867014 - 04/01/10 12:39 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
A little common sense goes a long way. if more hunters would use just that, their wouldnt be such a huge gap in expectations/reality!


Absolutely. It's about common sense and knowing what factors limit antler growth.

I'll never forget a few years back when a new poster to TNdeer was looking for hunters who wanted to join his "trophy" lease in Hickman County. The property was 600 acres of unbroken ridge-and-hollow hardwoods and the antler harvest minimum was 150 gross. Good luck with the plan...
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#1867122 - 04/01/10 01:23 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: BSK]
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I set my expectations based off my camera survey and previous deer harvest around the area. If I dont get any pictures of deer over 130 then I'm not going to limit myself to only shooting something over 130 since its highly unlikely. Thats just me though.
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#1867231 - 04/01/10 02:09 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: BSK]
mathews338
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
A little common sense goes a long way. if more hunters would use just that, their wouldnt be such a huge gap in expectations/reality!


Absolutely. It's about common sense and knowing what factors limit antler growth.

I'll never forget a few years back when a new poster to TNdeer was looking for hunters who wanted to join his "trophy" lease in Hickman County. The property was 600 acres of unbroken ridge-and-hollow hardwoods and the antler harvest minimum was 150 gross. Good luck with the plan...
dang wonder how that turned out LOL

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#1867427 - 04/01/10 04:46 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: mathews338]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: mathews338
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
A little common sense goes a long way. if more hunters would use just that, their wouldnt be such a huge gap in expectations/reality!


Absolutely. It's about common sense and knowing what factors limit antler growth.

I'll never forget a few years back when a new poster to TNdeer was looking for hunters who wanted to join his "trophy" lease in Hickman County. The property was 600 acres of unbroken ridge-and-hollow hardwoods and the antler harvest minimum was 150 gross. Good luck with the plan...
dang wonder how that turned out LOL


I think it's telling that we didn't hear from him in future years!
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#1867458 - 04/01/10 05:28 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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I like the topic....But in my case I don't set any goals, now let me explain...
I just go hunting, sounds simple I know but I seem to have more luck and have a better time just hunting. No pressure just me and the deer that come into range. I guess I've got to that stage in hunting....
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#1867513 - 04/01/10 05:58 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: Double-D-Team]
Coach
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 Originally Posted By: Double-D-Team
I like the topic....But in my case I don't set any goals, now let me explain...
I just go hunting, sounds simple I know but I seem to have more luck and have a better time just hunting. No pressure just me and the deer that come into range. I guess I've got to that stage in hunting....


Yep...x2
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#1868046 - 04/01/10 09:58 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: BSK]
budro2
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Unrealistic expectations is the biggest problem currently plaguing deer hunting and deer management.


Low expectations produce nothing.
High expectations produce something.
Unrealistic are just that, wanting something for nothing.

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#1868129 - 04/01/10 10:45 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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I guess it all depends on how you look at it. I think goals and expectation are two different things. I have some high goals but never really expect to reach them. I am able to match my expectation some years.

A good example of differences between goals and expectations would be that every NASCAR team has a goal of the championship. Realistically many know that is not going to happen. Yet they go out there every weekend and give it their best shot. Many perform the way they expect to. They love what they do and keep doing it regardless if their goal is in reach.

While my ultimate goal is to kill a booner I realize that is not likely to happen but I still hunt every chance I get. I know what I can expect to kill from trail cam pictures and that is my realistic challenge or expectation. Regardless if I meet my expectation or not, I love every minute I get to spend in the great outdoors.
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#1868170 - 04/01/10 11:11 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: DWM]
gator-n-buck
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I'm just glad a few of you like the topic and you believe I might pick up a mag every once in a while (3 get delivered to my house every month) and read. I was once told, that I must not read, since I made a point that I thought soil and genetics might play a bigger part then age... Who knows, we can debate this for ever but I know whats on the trail cam pics and what's being killed around me....

Edited by gator-n-buck (04/01/10 11:12 PM)

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#1868337 - 04/02/10 07:41 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: DWM]
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 Originally Posted By: DWM
While my ultimate goal is to kill a booner I realize that is not likely to happen...

I know what I can expect to kill from trail cam pictures and that is my realistic challenge or expectation.


A big difference exists between ultimate goals and "expectations." Goals are something to strive for and having high goals isn't a problem. Expectations are what you truly expect to kill on an annual or given set of years basis. That's where problems can arise. But DWM has balanced expectations. He sets his expectations based on what he knows is actually available for harvest (trail-camera pictures).

Realistic expectations are going to be different for each situation. How much land are you hunting? What is the over-all hunting pressure of the entire area? What is the deer density? What kind of habitat are you hunting? How frequently must you harvest what you expect to consider your hunting successful (every year? once every three years? once every five years?)? What age and quality of buck exists in the area in huntable numbers (based on trail-camera pictures)?
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#1868649 - 04/02/10 12:28 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: BSK]
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My goal is to get out in the woods...someone once said "90% of life is just showing up"...I do my best to show up and then just let things unfold as they will...
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#1868820 - 04/02/10 04:52 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: Coach]
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 Originally Posted By: Coach
My goal is to get out in the woods...someone once said "90% of life is just showing up"...I do my best to show up and then just let things unfold as they will...


Good answer Coach...I like that...Maybe I should be on time... \:\)
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#1868843 - 04/02/10 05:18 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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I put expectations on myself not the deer. I expect to make good shots, I expect to hunt smart.

As far as what I will shoot,nothing under 3.5 is my goal. Antlers P&Y for my area that is resonable every year (not saying Ive done it but last year was teh first I held myself to these standards). Some places I have hunted it wouldnt be reasonable...some property in Hickman Co. comes to mind.

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#1868887 - 04/02/10 06:07 PM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: BowGuy84]
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Expectation: I am going to be in the woods hunting sometime this year.

Goal: My goal is to enjoy myself while I am hunting and maybe I'll put some meat in the freezer along the way.

Dream: That 150+ buck I know is there will walk out at the right time and stand real still.

Are my sights set too high? I don't think so.
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#1869619 - 04/03/10 10:50 AM Re: Have You Set Your Sights Too High? [Re: BSK]
Football Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Unrealistic expectations is the biggest problem currently plaguing deer hunting and deer management.
But it only effects me,Im through worrying about what other idiots do \:\)
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