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#1864751 - 03/31/10 11:34 AM Trophy Management Areas
44fanatic
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Out west there is plenty of public land to support trophy management areas with out taking away opportunities from the common hunter.

TN does not have enough public lands (other than Presidents Island and a few other locations) to support this. Was thinking that if there was the support from land owners TMAs could be created in TN. Proceeds from the drawings would go to participating landowners, much like a lease. Hunters would be responsible for any damages.

Crazy thought that probably wont fly but a subject that feeds into the limit and antler restrictions from a different veiwpoint that will not impact all TWRA regulations.
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#1864755 - 03/31/10 11:39 AM Re: Trophy Management Areas [Re: 44fanatic]
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that would be nice
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#1864774 - 03/31/10 12:01 PM Re: Trophy Management Areas [Re: mathews338]
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IT would be cool if our Quota hunts were all heavily managed towards antlers. But some of them occur in areas where no matter what that just isn't possible, and the people who frequent those hunts may just be looking for any deer.
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#1864802 - 03/31/10 12:22 PM Re: Trophy Management Areas [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
But some of them occur in areas where no matter what that just isn't possible


Like where? I'm not saying that all of TN has a 150"er behind every tree, but letting young bucks walk will certainly increase the number of mature bucks available to hunters.

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#1864817 - 03/31/10 12:35 PM Re: Trophy Management Areas [Re: MickThompson]
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That would be an awesome program!
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#1864924 - 03/31/10 01:38 PM Re: Trophy Management Areas [Re: 44fanatic]
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 Originally Posted By: 44fanatic
Out west there is plenty of public land to support trophy management areas with out taking away opportunities from the common hunter.


I'm not aware of many public areas managed under trophy management in any state. Anyone have a list?

I was also under the assumption TN has more public hunting land than most states. Anyone have a comparitive list of public acreage by state?


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TN does not have enough public lands (other than Presidents Island and a few other locations) to support this.


I really don't think it's a lack of acreage, but a lack of acreage in habitat that will produced success with trophy management. TN already has areas that hold a fair number of mature bucks. Yet those areas don't produce many "trophy" bucks simply because of limitations in habitat quality.


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Was thinking that if there was the support from land owners TMAs could be created in TN.


We do have one of these currently, although it is not public. It's called Aimes Plantation. You can look at their website to see the type of results they are producing.


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Proceeds from the drawings would go to participating landowners, much like a lease.


But could enough money be collected through applications--once split among all the landowners that would be necessary to produce a large TMA--compensate for what each landowner could make from a straight lease of of their property? I bet not, considering how high leases are going for these days (and will become in the near future).
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#1864976 - 03/31/10 01:57 PM Re: Trophy Management Areas [Re: BSK]
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I personally think trophy management in TN should be left to the individual! Like BSK stated, even the areas that do have a high population of mature bucks, may very well still not have many big racked bucks, depending on the area and its resources available. Also TM is highly debated on hows the best way to do so, like PI for an example. The 9 point rule leaves many if not most of the mature bucks living there off limits, even when you do draw one of the few tags. Having TM in place and then not being able to harvest a fully mature 5 or 6 yr old buck, when he does present you the opportunity is not a very succesful program IMO. Why manage for trophjy's and then put the majority of them off limits? Again I think TM is best left to those who can implement a succesful plan for harvesting the trophies once you have grown them!
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#1864996 - 03/31/10 02:04 PM Re: Trophy Management Areas [Re: BSK]
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Gotta take out all the trophy wording and replace with antler restricted...

 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: 44fanatic
Out west there is plenty of public land to support trophy management areas with out taking away opportunities from the common hunter.


I'm not aware of many public areas managed under trophy management in any state. Anyone have a list?
Most of this you will see around the elk hunting. Montana has areas that I believe are called "trophy management areas" or at least that is what we called them...5 (10) point or larger.

I was also under the assumption TN has more public hunting land than most states. Anyone have a comparitive list of public acreage by state?
Your western states would by far exceed what TN has simply due to the BLM, State and federal forest lands. Eastern states, I would have to say that TN has allot, but my knowledge is limited.


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TN does not have enough public lands (other than Presidents Island and a few other locations) to support this.


I really don't think it's a lack of acreage, but a lack of acreage in habitat that will produced success with trophy management. TN already has areas that hold a fair number of mature bucks. Yet those areas don't produce many "trophy" bucks simply because of limitations in habitat quality.
Does this become mute when you go to a "antler restricted" instead of trophy?


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Was thinking that if there was the support from land owners TMAs could be created in TN.


We do have one of these currently, although it is not public. It's called Aimes Plantation. You can look at their website to see the type of results they are producing.


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Proceeds from the drawings would go to participating landowners, much like a lease.


But could enough money be collected through applications--once split among all the landowners that would be necessary to produce a large TMA--compensate for what each landowner could make from a straight lease of of their property? I bet not, considering how high leases are going for these days (and will become in the near future).
[That was my concern, could enough revenue be generated to make this appealable to the landowner. I know that if I were a landowner, I would want somebody that I know and can rely upon to do the right thing hunting my land. On a draw hunt, you do not know who you are going to get year to year.
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#1865010 - 03/31/10 02:12 PM Re: Trophy Management Areas [Re: 44fanatic]
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Good points 44fanatic. I was thinking exclusively of "whitetail country" instead of western mountain elk and mule deer hunting. Yes, those western state have a lot of public land.

Good question on the antler restriction. It would depend upon the restriction. Again, Ames Plantation is doing fairly well with a 120 gross minimum antler score on around 18,400 acres (115 hunters).

But again, I think the problem would be landowner compensation.
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#1865068 - 03/31/10 02:35 PM Re: Trophy Management Areas [Re: BSK]
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You would have to have several thousand acres in a county for it to be successful and I trully cannot see more than 1000 applicants for an area. That may raise 5-10k in revenues for those landowners, split that up amongst 10, 20 or more farms and they will get way less than what they could leasing.
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