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#1862906 - 03/30/10 08:35 AM Snakebite facts....
Ripley Whitetail
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I always wonder about snakes. Will they mostly strike from the knee down? If bit by copperhead or cotton mouth what do i do beside scream.
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#1862941 - 03/30/10 09:01 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Ripley Whitetail]
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They'll bite whatever you put in front of 'em. I saw a guy get bit on the finger one time while climbing around on some boulders. I believe the current first aid recommendation is just to get to a hospital as fast as you can.
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#1862951 - 03/30/10 09:10 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
They'll bite whatever you put in front of 'em. I saw a guy get bit on the finger one time while climbing around on some boulders. I believe the current first aid recommendation is just to get to a hospital as fast as you can.


What he said!
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#1862955 - 03/30/10 09:13 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: BigWes50]
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Yep, the first aid on a bite is "stay calm?" and get to the nearest medical facility.
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#1863026 - 03/30/10 10:19 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: KENBOB10]
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I have been bit 4 times.Main thing STAY CALM and try to have a idea of what kind of snake got you.I only went to the Dr. with one bite.
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#1863067 - 03/30/10 10:57 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Ripley Whitetail]
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 Originally Posted By: Ripley Whitetail
I always wonder about snakes. Will they mostly strike from the knee down? If bit by copperhead or cotton mouth what do i do beside scream.


Most "accidental" snake bites are on the hand, forearm or calf/ankle. However, total snakebites are heavy towards the hand, primarily because most poisonous snake bites occur because the person was trying to catch the snake.

Of the "accidental" hand bites, most occur as someone is reaching down to pick something up. Either the snake is next to what the person is picking up or under what the person is picking up.
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#1863070 - 03/30/10 11:01 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: BSK]
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If you are bitten and you go to the hospital, first they are just going to watch you. About half of all bites are "dry" bites (the snake did not inject venom). Giving anti-venom to someone with a dry bite would be as bad as getting the poison.

If the bite site becomes extremely painful over the course of several hours (and I mean EXTREMELY painful), poison was injected and they may administer anti-venom (or not, depending on the snake species). Copperhead venom is usually not that bad. Rattlesnake venom can be quite bad, even deadly.
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#1863085 - 03/30/10 11:09 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: BSK]
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Hey, BSK, there is a story here about a guy that was unloading a corn crib and was bit on the hand by a copperhead....They claim that not too long after a streak of his hair turned white and he had it until he passed of natural causes years later. What do ya think? They just passing a tale or is that possible?

Edited by Coach (03/30/10 11:10 AM)
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#1863097 - 03/30/10 11:18 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Coach]
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Impossible to say, but I believe sudden hair color change due to traumatic causes is possible.
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#1863101 - 03/30/10 11:24 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: BSK]
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I am one those unfortunate folks who has been nailed by a poisonous snake. About 12 years ago I was back home in late September. We were clearing a bunch of downed trees and stuff from around a swampy food plot border to hang a new stand. Well in the process of reaching down to pick up a limb, whamo I got nailed on the back of the hand, by a stud of cotton mouth, 3' 8" to be exact, which is a good one where I come from. He was hidden up under a bunch of leaves best I can tell, because I am extra cautious when in snake country, and just never saw him. Well a nice trip to ER and 2 months later I had healed. The pain was excruciating right at first, and after the fact I had to have the bite area drained every couple of days so the swelling didn't split my skin to the point of having permanent damage. I was lucky that it didn't leave me with anything other then a nice scar, and no serious long term disabilities in my hand.

I would say the hands are the most common places folks get bit.

Just be careful out there, and stay very calm if you do get bit. You won't die more then likely, and the more worked up you get the worse the recovery could be.

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#1863107 - 03/30/10 11:30 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Coach]
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 Originally Posted By: Coach
Hey, BSK, there is a story here about a guy that was unloading a corn crib and was bit on the hand by a copperhead....They claim that not too long after a streak of his hair turned white and he had it until he passed of natural causes years later. What do ya think? They just passing a tale or is that possible?


I bet that story gets better and better each time it's passed around - ;\)
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#1863111 - 03/30/10 11:34 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Setterman]
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My grandmother was bitten twice on the leg by a copperhead. She stepped on it as she walked to her car to get her purse one summer night. Apparently the copperhead had come onto the blacktop to warm itself. She spent seven days in intensive care before recovering fully.
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#1863130 - 03/30/10 11:49 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Ripley Whitetail
I always wonder about snakes. Will they mostly strike from the knee down? If bit by copperhead or cotton mouth what do i do beside scream.


Most "accidental" snake bites are on the hand, forearm or calf/ankle. However, total snakebites are heavy towards the hand, primarily because most poisonous snake bites occur because the person was trying to catch the snake.

Of the "accidental" hand bites, most occur as someone is reaching down to pick something up. Either the snake is next to what the person is picking up or under what the person is picking up.
Well,then that will NEVER happen to me,"Catch a snake"???


Edited by Football Hunter (03/30/10 11:51 AM)
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#1863140 - 03/30/10 11:53 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Ripley Whitetail]
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 Originally Posted By: Ripley Whitetail
I always wonder about snakes. Will they mostly strike from the knee down? If bit by copperhead or cotton mouth what do i do beside scream.
They will launch themselves at you from trees,they have also been known to use saplings like catapults to sling themselves onto your face.MANY can shoot fire out of their eyes.
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#1863183 - 03/30/10 12:30 PM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Ripley Whitetail
I always wonder about snakes. Will they mostly strike from the knee down? If bit by copperhead or cotton mouth what do i do beside scream.
They will launch themselves at you from trees,they have also been known to use saplings like catapults to sling themselves onto your face.MANY can shoot fire out of their eyes.


That's the funniest post I've read in a long time!!! \:D
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#1863185 - 03/30/10 12:31 PM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: BSK]
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the last thing a venomous snake wants to do is waste venom on a defensive strike.
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#1863236 - 03/30/10 01:24 PM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: stik]
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Seriously, Stik, do you think a copperhead "thinks" whether he should waste venom or not? That would be "reasoning" and a first for me. It's been my experience that if you come in their area and get too close they will bite you if given half a chance.
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#1863298 - 03/30/10 02:17 PM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Ripley Whitetail
I always wonder about snakes. Will they mostly strike from the knee down? If bit by copperhead or cotton mouth what do i do beside scream.
They will launch themselves at you from trees,they have also been known to use saplings like catapults to sling themselves onto your face.MANY can shoot fire out of their eyes.


That's the funniest post I've read in a long time!!! \:D
Just trying to warn everybody,them thangs are dagerous!
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#1863352 - 03/30/10 02:52 PM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Coach]
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 Originally Posted By: Coach
Seriously, Stik, do you think a copperhead "thinks" whether he should waste venom or not? That would be "reasoning" and a first for me. It's been my experience that if you come in their area and get too close they will bite you if given half a chance.


I do believe there is some instinctive use of poison. Poison is used for killing food. A defensive bite is simply a "get away from me" message.
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#1864256 - 03/31/10 02:52 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: BSK]
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I was bitten back several years ago, when I was a freshman in college. It was durring Christmas break, Dec ? and had warmed up to about 55 degrees that day. I had been busting through clear-cuts all day, that were full of briars. I never saw the snake or felt the bite. I just all of a sudden was feeling dizzy. By the time I made it back out to the road, I only had use of one arm. My dad found me and I thought I had a really bad, sudden, flu. It felt like a broke bone over every inch of my body, and felt like I was on fire on top of that. I blacked out a few times and threw up what felt like acid. I was to weak to get out of bed for a few days, and still did not know that I had been bitten. About 3 days later I noticed a big purple swelled spot on my leg and two holes in the center of it. It was to late to get an anti-venom shot by then. After that I lost alot of weight in a very short period of time. It took about 10 years to gain the weight back. Have suffered from migranes since then, but they are starting to get better. Have had stomach ulcers ever since. Still have the purple spot on my leg. Needless to say, I kill every poisionus snake I see.

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#1864433 - 03/31/10 07:55 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Coach]
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 Originally Posted By: Coach
Seriously, Stik, do you think a copperhead "thinks" whether he should waste venom or not? That would be "reasoning" and a first for me. It's been my experience that if you come in their area and get too close they will bite you if given half a chance.


i think they instinctively withhold venom on a defensive bite.an adult venomous snake can control the amount of venom injected. juveniles usually can't. that's where the idea that young snakes venom is more potent. it is not, they just use more because they haven't learned to control it yet.
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#1864460 - 03/31/10 08:15 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: stik]
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Seriously, Stik, do you think a copperhead "thinks" whether he should waste venom or not? That would be "reasoning" and a first for me. It's been my experience that if you come in their area and get too close they will bite you if given half a chance.


i think they instinctively withhold venom on a defensive bite.an adult venomous snake can control the amount of venom injected. juveniles usually can't. that's where the idea that young snakes venom is more potent. it is not, they just use more because they haven't learned to control it yet.


Interesting...makes sense...my grandfather was bitten by a young copperhead while picking strawberries from his garden..he was a big man and it nearly killed him. I often wonder if that is why he got rhematoid arthritis (I think that's what it was) and died a few years later.
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#1864478 - 03/31/10 08:29 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Coach
Seriously, Stik, do you think a copperhead "thinks" whether he should waste venom or not? That would be "reasoning" and a first for me. It's been my experience that if you come in their area and get too close they will bite you if given half a chance.


I do believe there is some instinctive use of poison. Poison is used for killing food. A defensive bite is simply a "get away from me" message.

 Originally Posted By: stik


i think they instinctively withhold venom on a defensive bite.an adult venomous snake can control the amount of venom injected. juveniles usually can't. that's where the idea that young snakes venom is more potent. it is not, they just use more because they haven't learned to control it yet.



I agree,...with maybe the only exception being the easten diamond back. I heard a herpetologist state one time that the eastern diamond back, the largest venomous snake in north america, had fangs that uniquely hinged in such away that the force of the strike itself would initiated venom injection (?).

There have been some very interesting studys done on snakes.Particulary pit vipers and the use of thier thermal scensing capabilities. They have been shown to be able to regulate the amount of venom to the size of the prey animal. they have also been shown to strike specificly at the hottest place giving of heat in an animal, which is generally directly associated with the heart and larger blood carrying veins, this allows for quicker venom distribution...

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#1864608 - 03/31/10 09:43 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: tndrbstr]
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Once when I was little at my Grand Daddys while I was fishing down at the pond. I saw a snake and hollared for Grand Daddy and he came down with a hoe and tried to kill it. He struck at the snake and it bite the hoe handle. Well then the hoe handle went to swelling and he carried it to the lumber mill and had it cut up. He then came home and made a chicken coop out of it. A few days later the swelling went down and killed all of his chickens. But the good side of the story is that Granny made some great chicken and dumplings.
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#1864671 - 03/31/10 10:21 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: Coach
Seriously, Stik, do you think a copperhead "thinks" whether he should waste venom or not? That would be "reasoning" and a first for me. It's been my experience that if you come in their area and get too close they will bite you if given half a chance.


i think they instinctively withhold venom on a defensive bite.an adult venomous snake can control the amount of venom injected. juveniles usually can't. that's where the idea that young snakes venom is more potent. it is not, they just use more because they haven't learned to control it yet.


Good info here.

Most 'poisonous' snake bites are not from poinsonous snakes. My favorites in TN are the northern watersnakes. Many think they are copperheads. And yes, many venomous snake bites are without the injection of venom. But if you are bitten by what is definetly a poisonous snake, it's best to get to the hospital and notify the ER which species it was. Some benadryl, steroids, and supportive care is often all that's needed.

And BSK is right, many bites occur from people trying to catch or kill a poisonous snake. I've been bitten dozens of times by nonpoisonous snakes- every time while catching them. I either leave the venomous snakes alone or move them out of the way with a hook or stick.

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#1864827 - 03/31/10 12:44 PM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Ripley Whitetail
I always wonder about snakes. Will they mostly strike from the knee down? If bit by copperhead or cotton mouth what do i do beside scream.
They will launch themselves at you from trees,they have also been known to use saplings like catapults to sling themselves onto your face.MANY can shoot fire out of their eyes.


That's the funniest post I've read in a long time!!! \:D


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#1864951 - 03/31/10 01:49 PM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: megalomaniac]
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 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac

Most 'poisonous' snake bites are not from poinsonous snakes. My favorites in TN are the northern watersnakes. Many think they are copperheads.


Most people misidentify the common water snake as either a copperhead or a cottonmouth. In addition, the common water snake is a very agressive species. I've been bitten by them (while in the water) numerous times.
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#1865910 - 03/31/10 08:18 PM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac

Most 'poisonous' snake bites are not from poinsonous snakes. My favorites in TN are the northern watersnakes. Many think they are copperheads.


Most people misidentify the common water snake as either a copperhead or a cottonmouth. In addition, the common water snake is a very agressive species. I've been bitten by them (while in the water) numerous times.


That explains it..
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#1865940 - 03/31/10 08:31 PM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Coach]
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Average snakebite victim.....Male, 18-25 years old, intoxicated, last heard saying "Hey ya'll watch me."
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#1866139 - 03/31/10 09:34 PM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: Bigg'un4214]
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Talked to a neighbor today who was bitten by a copperhead after he had cut its head and 5 or 6 inches of its neck off. He was trying to look at the fangs and a reflex action got him.
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#1866348 - 04/01/10 12:00 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: sc8point]
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i have been bitten numerous times by corn snakes,king snakes,water snakes, indigo snakes even garter snakes but i have never touched a venomous snake. that's just asking for it. no fear but i am VERY respectful.
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#1866650 - 04/01/10 08:59 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac

Most 'poisonous' snake bites are not from poinsonous snakes. My favorites in TN are the northern watersnakes. Many think they are copperheads.


Most people misidentify the common water snake as either a copperhead or a cottonmouth. In addition, the common water snake is a very agressive species. I've been bitten by them (while in the water) numerous times.



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#1866664 - 04/01/10 09:04 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: KENBOB10]
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 Originally Posted By: KENBOB10
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac

Most 'poisonous' snake bites are not from poinsonous snakes. My favorites in TN are the northern watersnakes. Many think they are copperheads.


Most people misidentify the common water snake as either a copperhead or a cottonmouth. In addition, the common water snake is a very agressive species. I've been bitten by them (while in the water) numerous times.



If you cover them up with doody when you turn to run they will not bother you.
worked for me LOL

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#1866700 - 04/01/10 09:22 AM Re: Snakebite facts.... [Re: mathews338]
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I've been bit by many non-venomous species, the worst being an eight foot Reticulated Python (nasty bite), and about broke my arm. Been bit by copperheads 3 times, all my fault. Copperhead venom is fairly weak compared to Moccasin and Rattlesnake venom. I don't mess with Rattlesnakes or Moccasins, no margin for error.
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