#1862547 - 03/29/10 10:14 PM
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Chaneylake
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only an approximation, used only for tax purposes, the modern day person puts to much faith in these maps for determination of property lines
please remember the following, Tax/Assessor Maps are basically only lines drawn on a map/aerial photo and have "nothing to do with the actual location of property lines on the ground"
Surveyors have been fighting this issue for many years and this problem will not go away
Walter R Powell Registered Land Surveyor #832
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#1862567 - 03/29/10 10:26 PM
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We found out that they are not worth the paper they are printed on...
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#1862598 - 03/29/10 10:37 PM
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Chaneylake
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to this day, still the only way to determine property lines is to actually walk the area, gather data[surveying equipment], evaluate data, make decisions, then a Surveyor will be able to mark the property lines
I do not care what kind of GPS that you bought from "Walmarts", it will not tell you the location of your property lines nor will anyone in the Property Assessors office be able to tell you, regardless of how good looking they are
TO DETERMINE YOUR PROPERTY LINES, SOMEONE HAS TO ACTUALLY WALK/TRAVEL THE PROPERY, GATHER DATA, MAKE DECISIONS
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME
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#1862610 - 03/29/10 10:42 PM
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Trying to find those old rocks or hickory trees aren't that easy sometimes..
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#1862715 - 03/30/10 06:07 AM
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BSK
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Then throw in very old surveys that don't give exact azimuths and distances ("... then in a 'northerly direction' approximately 15 rods..."), old paint lines that don't actually follow the survey calls (I've seen painted lines be off by over 100 feet), and corner markers that don't exist anymore (an 80-year-old survey that uses an 18" hickory as a corner and that tree is long dead and gone), and the fact survey calls often don't use true or magnetic north and finding the "legal" boundaries of a property can be very tough.
This process can be the bane of my work.
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#1862754 - 03/30/10 06:40 AM
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Chaneylake
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BSK, the main problem with what you posted is that we are now trying to mix in old school honesty with modern day technology, plus there are many people trying to survey that do not have the proper training, I have done surveys since 1973 using the type data that stated, none of these jobs were that difficult. the key to the situation/property lines is to traverse around the entire piece of property gathering data, then this data is compared to the property in question and the adjoining property owners, the answer is there 99% of the time, going on memory only 2 times in my career did I have to persuade adjoining owners to agree upon a common line, at the same time I have never performed a survey in Tennessee or Mississippi that the acerage was smaller than the deed calls.
many of the problems that both of us posted were caused by attorneys doing what we call a "desk top survey", aka they made the legal description up in their office, in many areas this is still a problem that exists today, Crockett and Lauderdale Counties in West Tn are by far the worse that I have ever seen
also in Tn, distance rules over direction, unless the law has changed Texas is the only state where direction is the controlling factor.
the bearing/azimuth/direction call on many deeds in Tn will seldom agree with what is on the ground vs what is on paper
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#1862773 - 03/30/10 06:52 AM
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BSK
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ChaneyLake,
The problem as I see it is very old surveys done before good survey equipment was availabe, OR surveys worked up to match old paint lines that were marked/developed without surveys. I guess this is what you mean by "desktop" surveys.
But for the life of me I can't understand paint lines that meander all over the place while the line on the legal description is a straight azimuth shot. But again, that may be due to desktop surveys.
But you are correct, usually the actual acreage turns out to be very good, even if the lines run on the ground aren't.
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#1862782 - 03/30/10 07:04 AM
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the lady I am buying land from had a kid go out and mark the lines when the contract clearly said land to be clearly marked and staked by a survey. that was the most crooked mess I have ever seen. I called and she said she figured it was close enough. Last week they paid a pro to do it and they were across the property lines 50 feet in some areas. and at the back corner they were off by 150 feet . they had found a pin and figured it was theirs.
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#1862897 - 03/30/10 08:30 AM
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tndad
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Brother in law has a 500 acre crop field , basically rectangle and the tax map had a 200 yd by 50 yard line going out into the field from one edge and another 5 ccre corner cut out-- was totally wrong but the adjacent owner hunter tried to say it was correct- NOPE- he "walked" off the rods/chains straight to the wetlands marker
Edited by tndad (03/30/10 08:30 AM)
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Amazing that his original "34 ac" deed miracously grew into a "44 ac" deed in about 20 yrs. 
