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#1862547 - 03/29/10 10:14 PM Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . .
Chaneylake
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only an approximation, used only for tax purposes, the modern day person puts to much faith in these maps for determination of property lines

please remember the following, Tax/Assessor Maps are basically only lines drawn on a map/aerial photo and have "nothing to do with the actual location of property lines on the ground"

Surveyors have been fighting this issue for many years and this problem will not go away

Walter R Powell Registered Land Surveyor #832
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#1862567 - 03/29/10 10:26 PM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: Chaneylake]
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We found out that they are not worth the paper they are printed on...
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#1862598 - 03/29/10 10:37 PM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: Dr2kill]
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to this day, still the only way to determine property lines is to actually walk the area, gather data[surveying equipment], evaluate data, make decisions, then a Surveyor will be able to mark the property lines

I do not care what kind of GPS that you bought from "Walmarts", it will not tell you the location of your property lines nor will anyone in the Property Assessors office be able to tell you, regardless of how good looking they are

TO DETERMINE YOUR PROPERTY LINES, SOMEONE HAS TO ACTUALLY WALK/TRAVEL THE PROPERY, GATHER DATA, MAKE DECISIONS

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME
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#1862610 - 03/29/10 10:42 PM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: Chaneylake]
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Trying to find those old rocks or hickory trees aren't that easy sometimes..
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#1862715 - 03/30/10 06:07 AM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: gator-n-buck]
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Then throw in very old surveys that don't give exact azimuths and distances ("... then in a 'northerly direction' approximately 15 rods..."), old paint lines that don't actually follow the survey calls (I've seen painted lines be off by over 100 feet), and corner markers that don't exist anymore (an 80-year-old survey that uses an 18" hickory as a corner and that tree is long dead and gone), and the fact survey calls often don't use true or magnetic north and finding the "legal" boundaries of a property can be very tough.

This process can be the bane of my work.
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#1862754 - 03/30/10 06:40 AM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: BSK]
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BSK, the main problem with what you posted is that we are now trying to mix in old school honesty with modern day technology, plus there are many people trying to survey that do not have the proper training, I have done surveys since 1973 using the type data that stated, none of these jobs were that difficult. the key to the situation/property lines is to traverse around the entire piece of property gathering data, then this data is compared to the property in question and the adjoining property owners, the answer is there 99% of the time, going on memory only 2 times in my career did I have to persuade adjoining owners to agree upon a common line, at the same time I have never performed a survey in Tennessee or Mississippi that the acerage was smaller than the deed calls.

many of the problems that both of us posted were caused by attorneys doing what we call a "desk top survey", aka they made the legal description up in their office, in many areas this is still a problem that exists today, Crockett and Lauderdale Counties in West Tn are by far the worse that I have ever seen

also in Tn, distance rules over direction, unless the law has changed Texas is the only state where direction is the controlling factor.

the bearing/azimuth/direction call on many deeds in Tn will seldom agree with what is on the ground vs what is on paper
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#1862773 - 03/30/10 06:52 AM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: Chaneylake]
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ChaneyLake,

The problem as I see it is very old surveys done before good survey equipment was availabe, OR surveys worked up to match old paint lines that were marked/developed without surveys. I guess this is what you mean by "desktop" surveys.

But for the life of me I can't understand paint lines that meander all over the place while the line on the legal description is a straight azimuth shot. But again, that may be due to desktop surveys.

But you are correct, usually the actual acreage turns out to be very good, even if the lines run on the ground aren't.
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#1862782 - 03/30/10 07:04 AM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: Chaneylake]
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the lady I am buying land from had a kid go out and mark the lines when the contract clearly said land to be clearly marked and staked by a survey. that was the most crooked mess I have ever seen. I called and she said she figured it was close enough. Last week they paid a pro to do it and they were across the property lines 50 feet in some areas. and at the back corner they were off by 150 feet . they had found a pin and figured it was theirs.
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#1862784 - 03/30/10 07:07 AM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: BSK]
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Our last survey was done with old deeds that had lengths in "poles" to the old hickory tree by the creek and such. Turned out ok, but the guy who served me with papers trying to take 10 acres that didn't belong to him didn't get what he wanted tho. ;\) Amazing that his original "34 ac" deed miracously grew into a "44 ac" deed in about 20 yrs.
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#1862897 - 03/30/10 08:30 AM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: MUP]
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Brother in law has a 500 acre crop field , basically rectangle and the tax map had a 200 yd by 50 yard line going out into the field from one edge and another 5 ccre corner cut out-- was totally wrong but the adjacent owner hunter tried to say it was correct- NOPE- he "walked" off the rods/chains straight to the wetlands marker

Edited by tndad (03/30/10 08:30 AM)
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#1862909 - 03/30/10 08:38 AM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: JA1234]
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 Originally Posted By: Joey A
the lady I am buying land from had a kid go out and mark the lines when the contract clearly said land to be clearly marked and staked by a survey. that was the most crooked mess I have ever seen. I called and she said she figured it was close enough. Last week they paid a pro to do it and they were across the property lines 50 feet in some areas. and at the back corner they were off by 150 feet . they had found a pin and figured it was theirs.



it is against the law in the State of Tennessee to engage in any type land surveying practice without a license obtained from the State Board of Examiners for Land Surveyors

to obtain a Surveying license this day and time it basically takes a baccalaureate degree in a related field plus 2 years experience before one can take the state exam
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#1862913 - 03/30/10 08:39 AM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: tndad]
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First thing I did when I purchased my place was had a surveyer come out and mark the boundaries. He "found" at least 3 acres and marked everything very clearly. He has a good reputation and so far he was worth($$ cleaning up the "mess" from prior surveyers.
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#1862992 - 03/30/10 09:58 AM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: Chaneylake]
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how much -ball park- does it cost to get a survey- urban- house and 1/2 acre?
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#1863040 - 03/30/10 10:39 AM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: tndad]
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 Originally Posted By: tndad
how much -ball park- does it cost to get a survey- urban- house and 1/2 acre?


house lot type survey in my area, West Tn runs approx $600.00
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#1863075 - 03/30/10 11:04 AM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: tndad]
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When I was having mine done - I hired a local company - I was cutting an area out of an existing plot -

The 36" white Oak - and 'Rock Pile' - kind of stuff was on the old deed -

I walked with the guy as he did his 'thing' - and by goodness - the old 36" Oak wasn't there, but the stump was and the pin in the stump - and the 'old rock pile' was there as well - and now has an iron rod in the pile - (we left the pile \:\) )

They did a great job - I got a great plot and documentation and write up -

It was all less than a grand and worth every penny -

ferg....
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#1863182 - 03/30/10 12:29 PM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
When I was having mine done - I hired a local company - I was cutting an area out of an existing plot -

The 36" white Oak - and 'Rock Pile' - kind of stuff was on the old deed -

I walked with the guy as he did his 'thing' - and by goodness - the old 36" Oak wasn't there, but the stump was and the pin in the stump - and the 'old rock pile' was there as well - and now has an iron rod in the pile - (we left the pile \:\) )

They did a great job - I got a great plot and documentation and write up -

It was all less than a grand and worth every penny -

ferg....



if a person will get the survey on the front end before the purchase then there are usually no surprises/problems, many people just do not want to spend this up front money
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#1863186 - 03/30/10 12:31 PM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: Chaneylake]
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 Originally Posted By: Chaneylake
 Originally Posted By: ferg
When I was having mine done - I hired a local company - I was cutting an area out of an existing plot -

The 36" white Oak - and 'Rock Pile' - kind of stuff was on the old deed -

I walked with the guy as he did his 'thing' - and by goodness - the old 36" Oak wasn't there, but the stump was and the pin in the stump - and the 'old rock pile' was there as well - and now has an iron rod in the pile - (we left the pile \:\) )

They did a great job - I got a great plot and documentation and write up -

It was all less than a grand and worth every penny -

ferg....



if a person will get the survey on the front end before the purchase then there are usually no surprises/problems, many people just do not want to spend this up front money


Most of the land purchases I've been involved with required the seller to pay for a survey.
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#1863187 - 03/30/10 12:31 PM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: Chaneylake]
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 Originally Posted By: Chaneylake
 Originally Posted By: Joey A
the lady I am buying land from had a kid go out and mark the lines when the contract clearly said land to be clearly marked and staked by a survey. that was the most crooked mess I have ever seen. I called and she said she figured it was close enough. Last week they paid a pro to do it and they were across the property lines 50 feet in some areas. and at the back corner they were off by 150 feet . they had found a pin and figured it was theirs.



it is against the law in the State of Tennessee to engage in any type land surveying practice without a license obtained from the State Board of Examiners for Land Surveyors

to obtain a Surveying license this day and time it basically takes a baccalaureate degree in a related field plus 2 years experience before one can take the state exam


The pro that did it the second time is a registered surveyor. And he imformed the lady just what trouble she could get into or have that kid get into for doing it the way she did???? Now it is so well marked I wont have to run lines to set post LOL he did a really great job.


Edited by Joey A (03/30/10 12:33 PM)

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#1863198 - 03/30/10 12:47 PM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: JA1234]
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I also wouldnt trust the owners information on the assesors website. Some properties still show the previous owners info on it.
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#1863617 - 03/30/10 06:31 PM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: MUP]
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ChaneyLake

I have had way to many land sell's for client that have had to have common line agreements,(mainly from old deeds overlapped or old surveys that were not right), we commonly see deeded acres surveying up less, in middle TN and Western KY, very few times they have come out larger in the past 15 years.
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#1865496 - 03/31/10 05:13 PM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: landman]
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 Originally Posted By: landman
ChaneyLake

I have had way to many land sell's for client that have had to have common line agreements,(mainly from old deeds overlapped or old surveys that were not right), we commonly see deeded acres surveying up less, in middle TN and Western KY, very few times they have come out larger in the past 15 years.


I was mainly referring to land in West Tn as to the acreage always checking out
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#1866096 - 03/31/10 09:18 PM Re: Property Assessor's Maps are . . . . . [Re: Chaneylake]
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LOL The property I am trying to close on has a screwed up line.

The line on one side is off 50 feet or so. But they dont know which way cause the neighbors deed reads...start at the road head south until you get to (so and so property), old fence row, then turn left and head to corner of fence and turn left. Then head north to road. and I am serious. it gives headings but no footage. the old deed for the front part of what I am buying is recorded at 744 feet to one point corner of neighbors property, and the new survey is 690 to corner...boy oh boy now I see why Chaney always tells people only registered surveyors can mark property's

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