#1862266 - 03/29/10 07:58 PM
What is TN's experience with managing for.....
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Doskil
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older deer/better age classes/QDM on public hunting lands?
Like areas with limited permit draws or antler restrictions
Or does TWRA even manage for QDM on public lands?
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#1862362 - 03/29/10 08:34 PM
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Look up Catoosa and Presidents Island
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#1862712 - 03/30/10 06:00 AM
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...and Oak Ridge and Laurel Hill.
But Catoosa and President's Island are probably the best examples.
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#1862714 - 03/30/10 06:05 AM
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...and Oak Ridge and Laurel Hill.
But Catoosa and President's Island are probably the best examples.
unless they've been reinstated, oak ridge doesn't have atler restriction anymore...
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#1862743 - 03/30/10 06:33 AM
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...and Oak Ridge and Laurel Hill.
But Catoosa and President's Island are probably the best examples. unless they've been reinstated, oak ridge doesn't have atler restriction anymore...
But it did at one time.
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#1862769 - 03/30/10 06:51 AM
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the city of oak ridge and DOE nixed the antler restrictions. the hunts at oak ridge WMA are solely for population control. the ONLY reason it was ever opened for hunting was all the oak ridge residents and DOE employees were tired of wrecking their vehicles.
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#1862774 - 03/30/10 06:54 AM
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the city of oak ridge and DOE nixed the antler restrictions. the hunts at oak ridge WMA are solely for population control. the ONLY reason it was ever opened for hunting was all the oak ridge residents and DOE employees were tired of wrecking their vehicles.
Hopefully VAAP will re-open as well or get ready travelers to hit a boat load of deer!
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#1862775 - 03/30/10 06:54 AM
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But while it existed, it was an example of antler-restriction management used in TN.
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#1863233 - 03/30/10 01:20 PM
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John Tully, Moss Island, and Earnest Rice have antler restrictions. Natchez Trace was for a time but was determined to be unsuccessful so it was abandoned. Some areas have restricted gun seasons or only allow archery equipment after certain dates. Some are well known, others are sleepers.
As far as the lessons learned? Success varies with each situation. Controlling access, ensuring proper data collection, and compliance vary widely. Some places it works and others it does not. TWRA goals for deer hunting on WMA's vary as well. Some take on a form of QDM or trophy management others are just a place for a first time hunter with no private ground to hunt to go hunt for any deer that makes him happy.
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#1863246 - 03/30/10 01:32 PM
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Didn't they try this at Natchez Trace a long time ago?
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#1863350 - 03/30/10 02:51 PM
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As far as the lessons learned? Success varies with each situation. Controlling access, ensuring proper data collection, and compliance vary widely. Some places it works and others it does not. TWRA goals for deer hunting on WMA's vary as well. Some take on a form of QDM or trophy management others are just a place for a first time hunter with no private ground to hunt to go hunt for any deer that makes him happy.
Great response RecurveShooter.
From what I've seen, antler restrictions only work well when a great deal of effort and research was put into the finding the best restriction, and when great data was collected before and during the experiment.
And even then, some situations--like very good habitat--are not conducive to antler restrictions.
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#1863572 - 03/30/10 05:59 PM
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So I take it TN manages for bigger bucks soley with antler restrictions?
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#1863582 - 03/30/10 06:05 PM
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John Tully, Moss Island, and Earnest Rice have antler restrictions. Natchez Trace was for a time but was determined to be unsuccessful so it was abandoned. Some areas have restricted gun seasons or only allow archery equipment after certain dates. Some are well known, others are sleepers.
As far as the lessons learned? Success varies with each situation. Controlling access, ensuring proper data collection, and compliance vary widely. Some places it works and others it does not. TWRA goals for deer hunting on WMA's vary as well. Some take on a form of QDM or trophy management others are just a place for a first time hunter with no private ground to hunt to go hunt for any deer that makes him happy.
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What about property size?
Does it matter?
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#1864658 - 03/31/10 10:17 AM
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What about property size?
Does it matter?
Yes because if the bucks you hunt wander across boundaries and the neighbor hunts under different rules then you, you may just be passing on deer that your neighbor takes. It happens on management areas as well as private ground. But the bigger your property the better chance a buck could spend the entire year on your place. However, it will happen to some extent no matter what size property you have.
Antler point restrictions are the most common tools we use to protect younger age classes. However, restrictions on bag limit, number of hunters, season lengths, or even weapons allowed can all work together to achieve the goals you have for your individual property.
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