#1862455 - 03/29/10 09:08 PM
Re: ? for bowriter
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With regard to ARROW wounds:
I do NOT agree with bowriter on his gut shot tactics, and I believe I have bow killed as many or more deer as he in my years of experience. I also have trailed MANY more arrow shot deer for others.
I will say this, if I were a better tracker, and had the ability to track animals like the African trackers, I might follow them a little different.
But in MOST places I hunt, other variables come into play. THings like private property and WMA areas where I may not be allowed. I have neither the time, nor the patience to argue with irritated neighbors about following my gut shot deer on to their property.
I have been asked many times how many gut shot deer we loose to spoilage, coyotes, and being pushed too soon. Without any hesitation I ALWAYS answer that the NUMBER ONE reason MOST gut shot deer are lost is due to trailing too soon, and pushing the deer. Plugged hole or NOT, gut shot deer bleed VERY little, if at all.
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#1862660 - 03/30/10 12:31 AM
Re: ? for bowriter
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RKenney
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I agree with bowriter on the gut shot deer, in regards to them
bedding down and not moving anymore. I made a shot on an 8
pointer several years ago, and he turned at a severe angle just
before the arrow got there. The arrow entered right behind the
shoulder, but it angled back through the stomach.
The deer jumped and hunched, and went about 30 yards and laid
down for 30 minutes within sight of me. This was in a field so
I could watch every movement that he made. He kept looking like
he was going to die, but all the sudden he got up and moved to
a patch of sage brush. My eyes were getting tired watchig the
spot in the sage for about 2 hour after he laid down again.
I thought he was dead at this point, but he got up yet again and
moved further down the hill to another patch of vegetation, and
bedded again. I could see a pattern. The last time he got up
(after another 2 hours) he changed direction towards the wood
line and laid down in some tall grass at the edge of the woods.
It was a zigzagg pattern that covered a few hundred yards. That
was proof enough that a gut shot deer will get up and move even
when they are not pushed.
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#1862661 - 03/30/10 12:39 AM
Re: ? for bowriter
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Muy Grande
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With regard to ARROW wounds:
I do NOT agree with bowriter on his gut shot tactics, and I believe I have bow killed as many or more deer as he in my years of experience. I also have trailed MANY more arrow shot deer for others.
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I'll disagree on this, and I never post.
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#1862675 - 03/30/10 02:03 AM
Re: ? for bowriter
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To each his own. You pull your wagon and I'll pull mine. All I'll say is my recovery rate on well over 1,000 deer and elk, mine and my hunters, is quite high. I'll just stick with what works for me.
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#1862744 - 03/30/10 06:33 AM
Re: ? for bowriter
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Muy Grande-where you been?
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#1862776 - 03/30/10 06:57 AM
Re: ? for bowriter
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I shot a big bodied 9pt last yr on the last morning of a 7day bow hunt in Ohio last nov.Im still sick over it.I don't know if i hit a limb or if i hit my cam on the stand. I hit the deer high in the back. I watched him run out to about 60yrds.His side was soaked in blood with the arrow sticking out about half way.I hoped that i had cut the artery along his spine. The would walk slowly with his head down for about ten yards at a time and stop. He poured the blood for the first 100yrds.We tracked him 4hrs later for about 300yrds or so.He went strait up the ridge, once he got to the top the blood ended.Im still sick....
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#1862781 - 03/30/10 07:03 AM
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BigWes50
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I shot a big bodied 9pt last yr on the last morning of a 7day bow hunt in Ohio last nov.Im still sick over it.I don't know if i hit a limb or if i hit my cam on the stand. I hit the deer high in the back. I watched him run out to about 60yrds.His side was soaked in blood with the arrow sticking out about half way.I hoped that i had cut the artery along his spine. The would walk slowly with his head down for about ten yards at a time and stop. He poured the blood for the first 100yrds.We tracked him 4hrs later for about 300yrds or so.He went strait up the ridge, once he got to the top the blood ended.Im still sick....
Man that's tough!
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#1862796 - 03/30/10 07:21 AM
Re: ? for bowriter
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BowGuy84
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Some deer have a will to survive some dont. I helped trail one about 500 yards this year she bled good the whole way. We gave her an hour. Followed good blood at a good clip and jumped her 200 yards in. Backed out for 4, came back followed her 300 more she went right through the middle of an old barn and killed over. Shot was one lung and liver. Most deer I have seen hit like this are dead in less than 15 min and go about 150 yards. Im not going to pretend I know what was different.
I say this because in each tracking scenairo it is different. Circumstances demand a course of action. I know Ive lost one deer for sure if I had given it time I would have found it. Ive also lost a deer to coyotes that if I had pushed I might have gotten as well...
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#1862812 - 03/30/10 07:35 AM
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Bottom Hunter
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while tracking a wounded deer, many people never think to look for blood on trees and vegetation several feet off the ground....
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#1862830 - 03/30/10 07:48 AM
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Tracking is an art, and everyone does it a little differently. Each and every situation requires its own approach to be succesful. There are many rules of thumb, such as leaving gut shot and paunch shot (which is a totally different shot) deer for a lengthy period of time before tracking, and this one I agree with in most situations (not all). Experience is the absolute best teacher in the field of tracking, instinct plays a huge roll in knowing what the particular deer does in different situations and areas he approaches. This is a much deeper subject than most people realize!
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