#1848938 - 03/22/10 12:36 AM
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Locksley
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None of this matters if TWRA goes away.
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#1848939 - 03/22/10 12:37 AM
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Locksley
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TWRA Sunset Status !!!!!!!!!!*********!!!!!!!!!!
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#1848957 - 03/22/10 02:39 AM
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Once again, its not like we wont have a game agency. They will roll that responsibility into TDEC more than likely if it happens. I dont want it to happen but to many people are thinking wrongly that it will just be the end of game management in TN and thats jusst not true.
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#1848963 - 03/22/10 03:11 AM
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Once again, its not like we wont have a game agency. They will roll that responsibility into TDEC more than likely if it happens. I dont want it to happen but to many people are thinking wrongly that it will just be the end of game management in TN and thats jusst not true.
All you have to do to see how this works is to look at the situation we are facing today. One legislature that has an issue with a fishing regulation is threatening the existence of game management in Tennessee as we know it. This is “Business as Usual” for any political body.
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#1848986 - 03/22/10 06:03 AM
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How could anyone think this is a good thing? To have our fishing and hunting put into a "political pot" to be hashed out by our govt, or appointed "committee"? Is this what this is saying?
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#1848996 - 03/22/10 06:09 AM
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That's what some want MUP. Committees can be romanced data and sound biological herd management cant be.
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#1849037 - 03/22/10 06:56 AM
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I work for the government (not for TWRA/TWRC).
Believe me, EVERYTHING...every decision, every sign posted, every email, every office lunch...EVERYTHING has a political component or twist to it.
People at every level of government hae their own agendas that they seek to pass (yes, even TWRA). They just wait until it's the right time to give birth to them.
One of the most disheartening things about my job is seeing someone come in that actually believes that the system is 'for the people'. Then they see that the government at every level is really subverted to promote someones personal beliefs, and there's not much that can be done about it. Why? Because people in government learn to cover their rear-ends to protect their jobs.
Funny thing is, these people know state law better than a lawyer. Why? Becaue they use it to hide behind when they feel their job is threatened.
So instead of doing the "right" thing they do what they know they can get away with that promotes their agenda.
I'm not making this up. I see it everyday at work.
This is exactly what's going on with this sunset provision for TWRC.
Unfortunately, that's the way the system works.
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#1849177 - 03/22/10 08:56 AM
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People at every level of government hae their own agendas that they seek to pass (yes, even TWRA).
I agree. I don't understand why people think politics would be something new.
(Disclaimer: This is not a bash of TWRA, this is a plain and simple fact that is true with any governing body.)
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#1849239 - 03/22/10 09:38 AM
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One of the most disheartening things about my job is seeing someone come in that actually believes that the system is 'for the people'.
I am actually appalled at what people will believe because of someone's words, while ignoring their actions. The old saying "believe nothing you hear and half of what you see" holds more truth than most will accept.
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#1849251 - 03/22/10 09:49 AM
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Very interesting indeed. I personally dont think politics should have a hand in any type game management. I will say however that no matter what your job or title, if you continue to make those writing your checks unhappy, there will be serious problems sooner or later. I truly hope this gets taken care of and maybe TWRA will come out of it with a better attitude and a drive to do a better job, especially in communicating with those buying the licenses!
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#1849334 - 03/22/10 10:56 AM
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Good posts!
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#1849354 - 03/22/10 11:14 AM
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Just sent my e-mails.....
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#1849497 - 03/22/10 12:32 PM
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I wonder if the guys pushing for a 1 buck limit is really behind all this crap.Not you guys on here but the really hardcore ones.
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#1849539 - 03/22/10 12:54 PM
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I will say however that no matter what your job or title, if you continue to make those writing your checks unhappy, there will be serious problems sooner or later.
I agree with that, its also important to remember, that as it stands now, that the ones "writing the checks" are doing so with the hunters and fishers of tennessee's money...
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#1849543 - 03/22/10 12:56 PM
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I doubt it will happen
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#1849693 - 03/22/10 02:11 PM
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Very interesting indeed. I personally dont think politics should have a hand in any type game management. I will say however that no matter what your job or title, if you continue to make those writing your checks unhappy, there will be serious problems sooner or later. I truly hope this gets taken care of and maybe TWRA will come out of it with a better attitude and a drive to do a better job, especially in communicating with those buying the licenses!
Excellent post!!
It seems communication from TWRA/TWRC may be a key source for what is happening right now, according to some new info. Communication with hunters and the non hunting public is key to the hunting and wildlife management future. I don't know what issues some of them have in the powers that be,.. but i can think of a issue that happened a while back that could have/ should have been handled differently by the TWRA/TWRC. It would have been a ideal oppurtunity to express concern over the deer management in areas of TN to hunters and to the non hunting public,.. and a key time to educate those about how hunting is a important part of wildlife management and control. BUT,.. it didn't happen!! A missed oppurtunity ,.. IMO!!
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#1849769 - 03/22/10 03:27 PM
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Read this article. Sheds things in an entirely different light.....
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_171665.asp
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#1850011 - 03/22/10 06:27 PM
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"Communication is the problem. I get more constituent calls about TWRA than anything else other than TennCare." "When I was elected in Carter County one of the primary complaints I heard was that the (wildlife) commissioner in our area wouldn't return calls... so I called our commissioner and I couldn't get a return call," Tennessee House Speaker Kent Williams (R - Dist. 4) 
How could anyone think this is a good thing? Politicians will ruin deer hunting in Tennessee , and GOD only knows what the suits will do to fishing here .
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#1850069 - 03/22/10 06:55 PM
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Bertman
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Just got a email back from my elected offical and he says
TWRA is very valuable to me & my district and I don't intend to let it disappear.
Thanks John Tidwell
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#1850112 - 03/22/10 07:09 PM
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Locksley
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the speaker is the one who got it pulled.
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#1850233 - 03/22/10 08:02 PM
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i hate to see the TWRA GO AWAY, although i disagree with many of their management goals. I do think it will come to pass, and i hope it doesnt.
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#1850352 - 03/22/10 08:44 PM
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How could anyone think this is a good thing?
If TWRA fixes what is broken, I for one think it's a great thing! Let's face reality, TWRA isn't going anywhere. If you read the article posted earlier, you would see the motive behind all of this. I have to agree with Speaker Kent Williams when it comes to communication from TWRA.
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#1850387 - 03/22/10 08:55 PM
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Ditto.
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#1850608 - 03/22/10 10:08 PM
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Well if the politicians get there way and TWRA goes bye bye then they will get there hands on that lifetime hunting license money to help pay for TNCARE and OBAMA-care .
The Dept of Environment would run dept. of parks and fish and game in the state. THEN WE WILL HAVE THIS MESS FIRST ANTI-HUNTING GOVENOR WE GET ELECTED .
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New Jersey Working On New Bear Management Plan
February 4, 2010
*Update* There will NOT be a public meeting that was scheduled for Feb. 9, 2010. But please contact your rep. on this. It’s very important that fish and game decisions be left in the hands of fish and game experts not political experts.
The New Jersey Fish and Game Commission is working on a black bear management plan that would include a hunt in the fall of 2010. According the the U.S. Sportsman’s Alliance, a meeting is scheduled for Feb. 9, 2010.
The new management plan is to be heard at the February 9 meeting of the FGC being held at the Central Region Office in the Assunpink Wildlife Management Area in Robbinsville. According to one of its main authors, Council Member Len Wolgast, the plan would allow for a bear hunt to take place this fall.
If passed, the plan must then go to the acting Commissioner of the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) for final approval.
I reported a couple weeks ago about a new bill, Assembly Bill 181, which if passed, would take away the lone power of the director of the Environmental Protection Agency in New Jersey, to be able to cancel a hunt or plan approved of by the Fish and Game Commission. Previous EPA Director, Lisa Jackson, now head of Obama’s EPA, arbitrarily canceled all bear hunts and ignored a court-approved bear management plan.
http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/category/new-jersey-hunting-news/
Hunters Ask New Jersey Court To Unblock Permits for Bear Hunt
Published: November 10, 2004
TRENTON, Nov. 9
A group representing hunters argued on Tuesday that New Jersey's environment commissioner overstepped his authority when he refused to issue permits for an approved bear hunt next month.
Lawyers for a coalition of hunting groups, arguing before the Appellate Division of New Jersey Superior Court, said the hunt was an effective way to control the state's bear population without unduly harming it. They have sued the state Department of Environmental Protection and asked the court to let the hunt go on as planned.
A decision from the court could come as early as Wednesday.
In July, the New Jersey Fish and Game Council voted to hold a six-day black bear hunt in December. But last month, Commissioner Bradley M. Campbell of the Department of Environmental Protection ordered the department's Division of Fish and Wildlife, which enforces hunting and fishing rules, not to grant bear hunt permits this year. He also ordered all department-controlled land to be closed to a hunt.
Mr. Campbell said the state would rely on public awareness to reduce the threat of bear encounters and contraception programs to curb the bear population, which he said is around 1,600.
But hunting groups said Mr. Campbell had overstepped his bounds, and they argued on Tuesday that he had no authority to block permit applications.
''The commissioner does not have the authority to do this,'' said William Horn, a lawyer representing the hunters. ''State biologists have said that a bear hunt would not threaten the population, but the commissioner has his own agenda.''
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C01EED7113CF933A25752C1A9629C8B63
New Jersey bear debate heats up as population, incidents rise
By Precious Petty
August 23, 2009, 12:31AM
Terri Ombrello, left, and Kelsey Burgess, of the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife, prepare a tranquilized young male black bear for transport near Millburn, N.J., in 2006. The 150-pound bear had wandered into Essex County not far from the Short Hills Mall.
The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection received 1,262 bear-related damage and nuisance complaints between January and July 20.
That's a 20 percent jump over the same period last year and evidence that the state's bear population is rising and encroaching on residential areas.
Some residents are calling on Gov. Jon Corzine, who suspended the state's annual bear hunt in 2006 to pursue a non-lethal management method, to reinstate it.
"This is a serious matter of public safety," state Sen. Steve Oroho, R-Sussex/Morris, said in a statement. "Adults and children alike in our communities are literally under attack because the bear population is not being adequately controlled."
State officials said no one has been injured by a bear since the hunt was canceled and activists in Oroho's district have been protesting bear killings.
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