#1845444 - 03/19/10 12:52 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Sorry for not being able to keep up with this thread. I've had computer issues. 1st off: I want to make a public apology to those who I mentioned & want everyone to know that I did act too quickly & with-out thinking about "what" I said. I did hear that the commissioners were supposed to be there & that was bad "intel". 2nd: I want everyone to know that even though I sounded anti-TWRA; I'm not. I want Mr. Gibbs to know that I'm sorry for being upset when on the phone with him as I was running on emmotion. I am a very passionate bowhunter & have no problem with folks who chase bears with dogs. (It ain't my thing,but to each his own) I do have a problem when other folks try to tread on my rights as a free American. (public is just "that" PUBLIC!) 3rd: I was told that the Archery Season "would" be brought up & it WAS. As Mr. Gibbs stated they disclosed their "Displeasure" about it (I think he was being nice there!) He is also correct in that the bowhunters MUST make their voice heard or we are in danger of being over-run. If the "Dog hunters" are FOR the Archery season, then why did they speak out against it at this meeting? One thing to pay close attention to is the fact that they are only concerned about the public land season as that is where they run their dogs. (that's why the season is shorter public/private) If we end up with a private land Archery bear season in the next few years they'll be tickled pink. If ya wanna know how they REALLY feel, just go to tha next TWRC meeting in the East TN region. (You'll FEEL the love!!!) Last: Obviously I'm not a big poster in this or any other forum, but I do learn a lot of good things from you guys & appreciate your thoughts & ideas. And just for the record: Dear TWRA,TWRC, All BEAR HUNTERS, I STRONGLY SUPPORT a FULL length Archery Season on public land that is equal to the private land season. ELK
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#1845502 - 03/19/10 01:42 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Winchester I don't even know what "all this" is. But I do who to talk to when I need information. I have made it a point for many years to know who to call in many states and provinces and I know how ask questions and get answers.
I have not always agreed with some of the policies of TWRA and have made that plain in many instances. But there is one way to dissagree and one way not to. BW, this has nothing to do with many states or provinces, and it has nothing to do with knowing 'someone' or knowing 'who' to call! This is strictly a TWRA matter and them dealing with the people who support them, the hunters of this state. Hey I know everybody will make mistakes, and Lord knows I make my fair share myself. When you are tasked with a job that affects people all over the state, and you as an agency make decisions that affect those people (hunters) all across the state, the least that would be asked for is to keep them imformed with correct and straight info. Each and every one of us would lose our jobs if we didnt keep those writing our paychecks informed of what is going on, good or bad. I think TWRA needs to work on their communication skills, and when something goes wrong, just put it on the table and work through it, instead of saying 'it never happened' which is what we are dealing with on the Turkey permit draw. I think TWRA does a good job overall, but denying problems when they arise is not a very professional way to handle things IMO. Oh well, the world will keep turning and I've wasted enough time talking about it, carry on!
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#1845551 - 03/19/10 02:53 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Okay.
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#1845846 - 03/19/10 08:12 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Winchester I don't even know what "all this" is. But I do who to talk to when I need information. I have made it a point for many years to know who to call in many states and provinces and I know how ask questions and get answers.
I have not always agreed with some of the policies of TWRA and have made that plain in many instances. But there is one way to dissagree and one way not to. BW, this has nothing to do with many states or provinces, and it has nothing to do with knowing 'someone' or knowing 'who' to call! This is strictly a TWRA matter and them dealing with the people who support them, the hunters of this state. Hey I know everybody will make mistakes, and Lord knows I make my fair share myself. When you are tasked with a job that affects people all over the state, and you as an agency make decisions that affect those people (hunters) all across the state, the least that would be asked for is to keep them imformed with correct and straight info. Each and every one of us would lose our jobs if we didnt keep those writing our paychecks informed of what is going on, good or bad. I think TWRA needs to work on their communication skills, and when something goes wrong, just put it on the table and work through it, instead of saying 'it never happened' which is what we are dealing with on the Turkey permit draw. I think TWRA does a good job overall, but denying problems when they arise is not a very professional way to handle things IMO. Oh well, the world will keep turning and I've wasted enough time talking about it, carry on!
If you think TWRA is bad you should see other states problems. In 2006 while at the World Shooting Complex in Il, I ask an employee at the Ill Conservation Booth about where the kids could fish. After several minutes I was told that non-residents were not allowed to fish in Ill. All states have problems and you just have to find the right person to talk to to get the correct answers at times.
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#1846845 - 03/20/10 05:57 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Doskil
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Did not bear doggers try to get the archery season banned in Unicoi County??
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#1846978 - 03/20/10 08:11 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Bigg'un4214
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The Bear Archery is a needed management tool. Lots of places where dog hunting would be/is frowned upon by landowners. Still hunting either by archery or gun is the best management tool available.
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#1847225 - 03/21/10 05:34 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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From what I gathered from talking with a few guys that are in the bear club is:
The bear dog hunters just want the same rights as the other hunters have to run there dogs during any open bear season. They feel that is only fair since they pay the same as other hunters to hunt.
Before you jump me, I'm just passing on what I've been told...
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#1847245 - 03/21/10 07:31 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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If they want to bear hunt during the archery hunt they can buy a bow. If I want to dog hunt i'll buy a dog.
They complain about the # of days they get, but statistcally , they still harvest better than 85% of all the bears checked in.
They will not be happy until they get the entire 100%.
JMO
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#1847343 - 03/21/10 09:37 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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I hear what your saying...but are we calling the kettle black.... Look at the debates we have on deer hunting...
I'm just looking at the big picture, that's all.
Is any hunter ever happy with what they got...not by reading this site...
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#1847704 - 03/21/10 01:16 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Dog hunters killed over half the bear killed last year. Most were killed on Cherokee National Forest. Most still hunters killed bear on private land where dog hunters usually can't get permission. The decision comes down to whether these bear are killed on private lands by hunters or by depredation permits. It takes cooperation from all sides.
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