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#1847147 - 03/20/10 11:03 PM Mature Buck???
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By TN standards what age would you consider a mature buck???
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#1847160 - 03/20/10 11:16 PM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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#1847163 - 03/20/10 11:18 PM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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IMO, I would think anywhere is the same as far as maturity goes.

3 1/2 is maturing
4 1/2 and older is Mature!
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#1847223 - 03/21/10 05:27 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: DEER ASSASSIN
 Originally Posted By: plinker22
IMO, I would think anywhere is the same as far as maturity goes.

3 1/2 is maturing
4 1/2 and older is Mature!



Agree...
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#1847251 - 03/21/10 07:41 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: Double-D-Team]
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That's like asking is your sister mature at 16 in Florida vs 16 in TN.

A buck is mature at 4.5 no matter where he lives. A buck is immmature less than 4.5 no matter where he lives.

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#1847356 - 03/21/10 10:00 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: megalomaniac]
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 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac

A buck is mature at 4.5 no matter where he lives. A buck is immmature less than 4.5 no matter where he lives.


Good answer!

Any buck 4 1/2+ is considered mature.

Bucks 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 are considered "middle-aged."
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#1847376 - 03/21/10 10:17 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: megalomaniac]
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 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac
That's like asking is your sister mature at 16 in Florida vs 16 in TN.

A buck is mature at 4.5 no matter where he lives. A buck is immmature less than 4.5 no matter where he lives.


I guess I could of phrased it a little better... I hear hunters use the wording that they only kill mature bucks...
In TX that might mean.. 5.5 to 6.5 yrs old.. TN that might mean on avg 3.5 to 4.5 yrs old...

P.S. FL it really doesn't matter.... We can shot one buck per day....


Edited by gator-n-buck (03/21/10 10:21 AM)

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#1847394 - 03/21/10 10:24 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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Biologically, a buck is considered mature at 4 1/2, no matter what state you are talking about.

But as you mentioned, hunters may use different definitions.
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#1847400 - 03/21/10 10:27 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: BSK]
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The biggest problem, biologically, when talking about mature bucks is the lack of information concerning these age bucks. Most states don't collect detailed data on mature bucks. If they break down ages at all, most states just break harvested buck ages down to the three categories of 1 1/2, 2 1/2, and 3 1/2+.
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#1847405 - 03/21/10 10:30 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
The biggest problem, biologically, when talking about mature bucks is the lack of information concerning these age bucks. Most states don't collect detailed data on mature bucks. If they break down ages at all, most states just break harvested buck ages down to the three categories of 1 1/2, 2 1/2, and 3 1/2+.


BSK... on avg, which age does a bucks antlers start to decline?

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#1847466 - 03/21/10 10:48 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck


BSK... on avg, which age does a bucks antlers start to decline?


Darn good question that doesn't have a good answer. It appears to be a regional/sub-species process. The northern whitetail (borealis) seems to keep getting bigger until very late in life (even 8 or 9 years old). On the other hand, TX whitetails appear to peak at around 6 1/2. The same should be true for bucks in the Southeast, but one thing I've noticed several times is that bucks in TN often peak in tine and beam length at 4 1/2, then lose some tine and beam length at 5 1/2 but add more mass and sticker points. The result on score is still probably an increase in gross score from 4 1/2 to 5 1/2, but a decrease in net score.

What happens beyond that age is difficult to say. The problem is getting a large enough data set to say anything with conviction. To date, I can count on one hand the number of TN bucks I've been able to photograph at 6 1/2+. BGG and I have discussed this several times and we honestly believe that in the wild few bucks live to 6 1/2+. TX is so unique in their land-ownership patterns that I don't think you can consider TX bucks to be "in the wild."
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#1847472 - 03/21/10 10:51 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: BSK]
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the age where his rack is the biggest......haha.

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#1847511 - 03/21/10 11:08 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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You be the fudge:

Did this buck lose tine length, beam length and spread from 4 1/2 to 5 1/2? I think he did, but I also think with his increase in mass and extra points at 5 1/2, he increased in gross score from 4 1/2 to 5 1/2.

4 1/2





5 1/2


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#1847562 - 03/21/10 11:37 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: BSK]
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#1847579 - 03/21/10 11:45 AM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: Panther78]
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No matter where you hunt, unless a buck is 4 1/2 or older he isn't mature.
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#1847741 - 03/21/10 01:47 PM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck


BSK... on avg, which age does a bucks antlers start to decline?


Darn good question that doesn't have a good answer. It appears to be a regional/sub-species process. The northern whitetail (borealis) seems to keep getting bigger until very late in life (even 8 or 9 years old). On the other hand, TX whitetails appear to peak at around 6 1/2. The same should be true for bucks in the Southeast, but one thing I've noticed several times is that bucks in TN often peak in tine and beam length at 4 1/2, then lose some tine and beam length at 5 1/2 but add more mass and sticker points. The result on score is still probably an increase in gross score from 4 1/2 to 5 1/2, but a decrease in net score.

What happens beyond that age is difficult to say. The problem is getting a large enough data set to say anything with conviction. To date, I can count on one hand the number of TN bucks I've been able to photograph at 6 1/2+. BGG and I have discussed this several times and we honestly believe that in the wild few bucks live to 6 1/2+. TX is so unique in their land-ownership patterns that I don't think you can consider TX bucks to be "in the wild."


Thanks BSK.. and those are some cool pics...

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#1847837 - 03/21/10 03:00 PM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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yes,he seems to have lost some rack
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#1849516 - 03/22/10 12:43 PM Re: Mature Buck??? [Re: Football Hunter]
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4.5 is a fully mature buck age wise, now if I've got a pope and young 2.5year old standing boardside, thwack!
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