#1844148 - 03/18/10 06:29 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Tree Tramp
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Im not a bear hunter either, but taking away ARCHERY ONLY is bull! Ill not be in favor of any bear "houndsmen" if this takes place. Not very houndsmen like to try and hog it all.  Let the guys have a few good grief. Its not like you cant run em down after they are through.
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#1844606 - 03/18/10 09:34 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Part of the uniqueness of bowhunting bears is the fact that it is spot and stalk hunting, or calling. Both of which provide plenty of excitement, which would be lost if they opened it to hounds.
Correct me if I am wrong, but you can shoot a bear with archery equipment all during Bow Season. Bear dog season is only open a few days during the traditional archery season dates.
I know of at least 12-15 bear taken with archery equipment in Greene County alone and they were taken in rural areas where no dogs are ran due to the small tracts of land and number of roads.
Houndsmen have a limited area they can run their hounds safely and away from areas where people live and traffic.
It would seem to me that THEY are the ones getting the short end of the stick.
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#1844746 - 03/18/10 10:06 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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You know the first thing I would do? I'd get the facts.
I know nothng abiout this deal, never heard of it. But I would be talking with someone at TWRA and getting some straight info. Then, if what you are saying is true.
Kill em all. BW, there is no such thing as getting straight info from TWRA anymore, just look at how they are handling this once again major screw up on the Turkey permit drawings! This statement is very close to what is considered bashing TWRA. Please refrain from further comments like this, they do nothing to aid anyone. Pretty much from what I have seen of late no matter what TWRA personnel are nice to say on here they are slammed and blamed for pretty much everything. Thank you.
No bashing at all Ruger, just telling the truth. This Turkey permit fiasco has been handled ridiculosly by TWRA with answers like, did the drawing say the official 2010 wma draw, give us a break, it was posted on their web page for the world to collect. Then for several days we were told that the drawing was never held, was that really necessary, or should they have just owned up and said we screwed up again! I know everybody makes mistakes, just own up when you do and people will respect you much more for being up front about it! As for asking questions, why should you need somebody on the inside, all hunters should be treated equal, not just the ones who KNOW someone!
I am glad to hear they finally made some wise decisions and are honoring the original drawing, its only right!
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#1844932 - 03/19/10 01:25 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Winchester- I don't hunt turkey, don't apply so I really don't know what the screw up is. But I don't have anyone on the inside. I am not part of any clique. I have taken the time to learn who to call when I want to know something and I know how to treat them with courtesy.
I think you can rest assured that when you make statements such as "...not just the ones who know someone..." There is probably a pretty good chance you will never "know someone."
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#1845037 - 03/19/10 07:00 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Correct me if I am wrong, but you can shoot a bear with archery equipment all during Bow Season. Bear season is only open a few days during the traditional archery season dates.
Each county is a little different, but lets look at Blount County, were I live. The houndsmen had Sep.28-Oct.4, Nov. 2-5, and Dec. 3-16. That's 29 days to run dogs. Bow hunters had Sep.26-27, and Oct.5-Nov.5 to hunt without dogs. That's 29 days. Sounds pretty even to me. Bowhunters are not wanting to take any days away from the dog hunters. We are just wanting to make sure we keep the days we have.
Houndsmen have a limited area they can run their hounds safely and away from areas where people live and traffic.
I used to think this was true, until TWRA opened Kyker Bottoms to hounds and rifles. It's a 350 acre WMA in Blount County that has always been archery only and Young Sportsman for small game. It's a duck refuge, so it would typically close on the 1st of November. They opened it this year for the Sep.28-Oct.4 and the Nov.2-5 dog hunt. It's small size didn't stop anyone from showing up with dogs.
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#1845041 - 03/19/10 07:04 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Traxx
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Buzz, 350 acres isn't enough area to run dogs after Bear...I AGREE. Bear cover MILES on a hunt.
I mainly hunt Cherokee in and aorund Greene County, and can count on one hand, the number of folks hunting in there without dogs.
Eve during Deer season I bet there isnt 10 people that hunt in there. When the bear dog season is over with the place is desolate besides a few hikers and joyriders.
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#1845111 - 03/19/10 08:16 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Winchester- I don't hunt turkey, don't apply so I really don't know what the screw up is. But I don't have anyone on the inside. I am not part of any clique. I have taken the time to learn who to call when I want to know something and I know how to treat them with courtesy.
I think you can rest assured that when you make statements such as "...not just the ones who know someone..." There is probably a pretty good chance you will never "know someone."
BW, I will have to say on this one, that I am proud that I dont know 'someone' or actually 'anyone' that is involved with this at all!
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#1845143 - 03/19/10 08:48 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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RecurveShooter
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Dan Gibbs is the Big Game Biologist for Region 4. There is also a bear biologist in the Region 4 office.
Dan said he wants public input.
Others have asked who to contact.
Talk to the commissioners that represent your counties and the statewide commissioners that live in east TN. http://www.state.tn.us/twra/comnames.html
Call the Nashville office and talk to the wildlife division.
Edited by RecurveShooter (03/19/10 08:50 AM)
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#1845168 - 03/19/10 09:02 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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RecurveShooter, Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to start my calls today.
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#1845352 - 03/19/10 11:36 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Winchester I don't even know what "all this" is. But I do who to talk to when I need information. I have made it a point for many years to know who to call in many states and provinces and I know how ask questions and get answers.
I have not always agreed with some of the policies of TWRA and have made that plain in many instances. But there is one way to dissagree and one way not to.
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