#1840919 - 03/16/10 10:25 PM
House bill 3386 anti cruilty to animals antihunti
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Locksley
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House bill 3386 the anti-cruilty to animals bill is up for vote in the Teennessee house , this maxes cruilty to animals a felony not a lesser crime. Will this law be used to attack hunters in the future. Can a hunter be charged as a felon if the PETA people get a prosiquiter in office that hates hunting.
The 86 or so horses found starving on a Tennessee horse farm is the reason that the animal rights people are pussing this bill . But how will it be used in the future and is there a provision to not include killing of deer in this new law. JUST SAYING.
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#1840933 - 03/16/10 10:31 PM
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March 16, 2010...3:14 pm
HB 3386 update: Making it a felony to abuse Horses and other farm animals
have this thought going around my head…”it’s not about doing the right thing, it’s about playing the game…”
I spent the morning watching democracy (I think) on capitol hill. Rep. Janice Sontany introduced HB 3386 to the agriculture committee. Actually I don’t know how she and others do this kind of work because it’s like watching paint dry. The first few hours waiting for her bill to come up, we heard about a bill to ban “Terminator seed” corn. Representatives spoke from big companies like Monsanto and Dupont. A long free exchange took place with committee members asking questions, making comments etc. Then it was time for HB3386.
The bill would make it a felony to starve or withhold water from horses and other farm animals. Seems like a no brainer doesn’t it? Who would want to stand in the way of protecting these innocent animals and why? The case of the 84 starving horses from cannon county brought media attention to a problem in Tennessee. A state representative, Janis Sontany, went down to see the horses when they were at the fairgrounds. She met with the humane society folks and promised to try and help. She wrote a bill to increase the penalty from a misdemeanor to a felony for anyone doing such things to their animals.
Farm Bureau Insurance is against her bill and packed the room with agents from around the state. So here’s the picture: a bunch of guys sitting in all the chairs in the room and all the women including me (& a few men) supporting the bill, left standing in the aisles. The committee for the most part is against the bill too. 3 outside people spoke in favor of it (very eloquently) and were told before they walked up to the podium to “keep it brief.” (a sheriff, a rescue person & a rancher) In an effort to discredit one of the speakers a committee member asked one guy if he supported horse slaughter. (I guess if you don’t that makes you an “animal rights activist.” Is that a bad thing BTW? Oh a straw man question was also thrown out…”would you like to protect farm animals or children?” Well sir, I’d like to do BOTH! Standing silent through all this was quite a challenge. After the 3 speakers the bill was put off until next week.
http://avalonfarmblog.wordpress.com/2010...r-farm-animals/
Yet despite their shift in status from utilitarian beasts of burden to luxury companion animals, equines have remained legally "livestock" — largely due to the efforts of one of the most powerful political entities in the state: the Tennessee Farm Bureau.
The Farm Bureau's power doesn't reside in throwing cash around. "They really don't contribute to campaigns, they don't have a PAC," Ketron says. "They just represent a lot of voters." The bureau's 646,000 members make it the largest farm bureau in the country.
http://www.nashvillescene.com/2010-03-11...ch-resistance/3
To eliminate the legal gap between abuse of companion animals and livestock, Sontany and State Senator Bill Ketron have filed a bill (HB 3386/SB 3546) in the Tennessee legislature to make aggravated abuse of livestock a Class E felony as well. Their bill defines "aggravated cruelty" as "conduct that is done in a depraved or sadistic manner and that tortures or maims an animal and shall be construed to include the intentional deprivation of food and water ... where the deprivation results in the death of the animal or a substantial risk of death." This is a high hurdle for a prosecutor to prove.
http://www.nashvillescene.com/2010-03-11...ch-resistance/3
Edited by Locksley (03/16/10 11:36 PM)
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#1841483 - 03/17/10 09:28 AM
Re: House bill 3386 anti cruilty to animals antihunti
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What happened to making dog food out of them their Horses?
I guess when my Grandpa and I shot & buried the old sick family dog 40 yrs ago we were cruel too.
Come on......
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#1841683 - 03/17/10 11:12 AM
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Mixed emotions....
should this be a misdemeanor in TN?
http://www.t-g.com/story/1616085.html
Shelbyville, TN... around 800 animals starved, 150 or so starved to death.
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#1841705 - 03/17/10 11:29 AM
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I wonder if turning bulls into steers is "aggravated cruelty"?
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#1841723 - 03/17/10 11:41 AM
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I fear that 1 day all of our rights will go out the window!
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#1841825 - 03/17/10 12:28 PM
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I wonder if turning bulls into steers is "aggravated cruelty"?
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#1842493 - 03/17/10 06:27 PM
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I fear that 1 day all of our rights will go out the window!
I just do not trust PETA and the anti-hunting animal rights crowd. Some rules on not mistreating dogs and horses is ok but not if these laws can be used in the future by the weird left wingers to ban hunting.
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