#1843367 - 03/18/10 08:40 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
[Re: Dan Gibbs]
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tndrbstr
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Here's the "word".....
Although he would not identify himself, I suspect I am the one who spoke to TN-ELK on Monday morning. As I told him, there was nothing illegal about the Monday night meeting. It consisted of about 10 Agency employees and 8 hunters. 1 hunter came in late and I didn't get his name or location. Otherwise all hunters were form Monroe/Polk counties. ZERO TWRC member were present.
We have received differing opinions from 2-3 bear hunting groups on some issues on the South Cherokee. This meeting was organized by the Agency to bring a few individuals from each group together to discuss their differing opinions and hopefully come to some middle ground. It was very productive.
Was the bear archery season mentioned? Yes it was. Displeasure for the regulation was expressed and we made note.
Guys, we meet with hunters/fisherman all the time. Sometimes in large public settings and others just involve a couple of people dropping by the office to talk for 1/2 hour about concerns they have. The sunshine law mentioned above refers to an unpublished Commission Meeting.
I am encouraged to see that many of you seem to be concerned about loosing the bear archery season. We (Region 4) assume that it is popular due to the number of bears harvested. However, no one is contacting us and making their preferences known and asking us to keep the hunt in place. We are only hearing from people on the other side. If you truly are concerned about losing this hunt, then write some letters, make some phone calls, and come to the Commission Meeting in Nashville. AlanP has given this advice many times before. It is the best to get things accomplished.
Thanks for your reply Dan.....I don't know much about the north portion of the cherokee, but in the south portion, and please correct me if I'm wrong, bow hunters are still not allowed to bear hunt within the confines of the traditional sacred party dog only areas of the upper and lower bald river, north river drainages..(?)..Any still hunting for bears during archery season must be done outside of those areas...That seems to give the party doggers the lions share of the core bear populations out side of the bear reserve to begin with.....jmo
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#1843376 - 03/18/10 08:45 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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I'm with Ruger on this one. It is not so much who you know but knowing who to ask for and then knowing how to ask a polite question. It doesn;t do much good to talk a clerk-1 when you need to talk to a biologist.
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#1843773 - 03/18/10 12:29 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
[Re: Dan Gibbs]
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However, no one is contacting us and making their preferences known and asking us to keep the hunt in place. We are only hearing from people on the other side. If you truly are concerned about losing this hunt, then write some letters, make some phone calls, and come to the Commission Meeting in Nashville. AlanP has given this advice many times before. It is the best way to get things accomplished.
I didn't know that the hound hunters had such a problem with the archery season. When you say write letters, I'm assuming you mean to the commissioners, or are you talking about TWRA? If you are talking about TWRA, who should we be sending our letter too? When is the meeting in Nashville? If given a few days notice I should be able to make it, and give anyone from the Knoxville area a lift. Thanks in advance.
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#1843906 - 03/18/10 01:58 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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As I stated I would ask some questions on the matter from Members of Doe Valley Sportsman Club.
They informed me that there was a meeting Monday night in Knoxville. They also had invited the (TWRA, Game Wardens, Biologist of both Tn and Nc) and the meeting was not closed to the public. There were several clubs there or reps. from clubs. There were several item discussed and yes the bear hunters asked how to make a suggestion on change to our current hunting regulations. What were the steps they need to take.
This is not a quote, but what I understand from several members:
Which was to allow dog hunters to be able to run there dogs as long as a hunter could hunt bear with any legal weapon, ie: bow muzzleloader or rifle.
In so many words be able to run there dogs when you can hunt bear.
I also was informed that they talked other issues as well like crow hunting. Why only Fri, Sat, Sun. old law do away with it.
There were bear hunters as well as coon hunters and hunters in general at this meeting.
He also informed me that the TWRA and Game Wardens wanted input on this subject of bear hunting. (I can't speak for them TWRA or GW and maybe they can answer that question...)
Again, IMO this was not an illegal meeting but a request for some officials to attend. I was not present so I can not say who was present. The Clubs and the TN Bear Hunters Assn would be the ones to contact.
Again, I'm not stirring the pot. Just passing on what I found out...
I don't see anything as a major problem or anything to get up in arms over...The TWRA will take care of the hunters in TN and do whats best for us as well....
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#1843914 - 03/18/10 02:01 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
[Re: Buzzard Breath]
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The April commission meeting is the one when the season proposal is first presented. Not that the commission meeting is the only place, but you do need to make your voice known to the agency before we propose seasons and to the commission before they vote on the proposal in May.
All of the above would be the best approach, letters and phone calls. The agency wants input and opinion from all points of view.
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#1843960 - 03/18/10 02:42 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Knowing how the season setting process works is very helpful information. It actually starts with you the hunter talking to and writing intelligent letters to your County Game Officer who gives his suggestions and recommendations to the Region office.
The Region Office will look at the recommendations and decide which to present and suggest to the other Regions and Central Staff. The Region managers and central staff meet and go over the different proposals and vote on changes to be made. These changes are then presented to the Commission. Once these are presented to the Commission the public has 30 days to voice any concerns they may have.
The dog bear hunters are very well organized and will bring many members to the Commission meeting. You can counter act this by having a good-sized group there and bringing well though out petitions. You must also organize a letter writing and phone campaign to the Region Managers and Commission Members.
If you want to keep your privilege to hunt then you are going to have to work for it and get involved. A few posts on TnDeer will not be heard enough to make any difference.
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#1844014 - 03/18/10 03:34 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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tndrbstr
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Commissioners involved include:
Todd Shelton - Greeneville: 423-639-5183
Eric Wright - Elizabethton: 423-213-9514 (BEARHUNTER)!!!!
The April commission meeting is the one when the season proposal is first presented. Not that the commission meeting is the only place, but you do need to make your voice known to the agency before we propose seasons and to the commission before they vote on the proposal in May.
All of the above would be the best approach, letters and phone calls. The agency wants input and opinion from all points of view.
Ok,....Letters and phone call where specificly?...what are the best avenues to start expressing our opinions?...The ones stated by tnelk are all in the north section of the cherokee, are there more effective routes?....I see the principle attendees were from the south cherokee but the contacts listed by tnelk are out of the nortn section..does it matter?...what is the specific day and location of the meetings in april?...
buzz, I will ride with you....
David J.....good to see you are still kickin.... 
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#1844018 - 03/18/10 03:39 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Traxx
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TN-ELK, I am a member of the Tennessee Bear Hunters Association. and personally know the high ranking members of that association very well.
I have NEVER heard ANY of them say ONE THING about wanting "all of the bear seasons to themselves". Heck, most of them bow hunt themselves and support ANY LEGAL METHOD of harvesting a bear.
I have attended EVERY meeting we have had and there has never been one single mention of a closed door, "secret" meeting. ANYONE can call the TWRA and ask to meet with them.
Lastly...I wish the houndsmen in this state had the pull you claim they do with the TWRA. In my opinion, houndsmen are looked down upon in most areas of the state, except for East Tennessee.
Hunting with hounds is part of our heritage and National History.
I have never met ONE SINGLE BEAR HUNTER that wanted to deny ANYONE their right to hunt ANYTIME they wanted to.
You have blown this WAY out of proportion.
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#1844087 - 03/18/10 05:09 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
[Re: Traxx]
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Buzzard Breath
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I see at least 3 TWRA personel on here recomending letters and calls. Too me, that means that if we don't make our voices heard, we are going to loose our archery season. I did a search to find out when the April meeting is to take place and I don't think the date has been set. It typically has been the middle of the month. Sounds like I need to get busy with my calls. I assume the May meeting will be the same.
Does TWRA have a bear specialist? Is there one specific person I could contact that could answer some questions?
Traxx, thanks for the input. I know some bear hunters here in Blount County, and they could care less about the archery season. They're far more worried about the loss of land to run their dogs on. What has me worried are thoughts that bear hunters should be able to run their dogs anytime there is a season open. Part of the uniqueness of bowhunting bears is the fact that it is spot and stalk hunting, or calling. Both of which provide plenty of excitement, which would be lost if they opened it to hounds.
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#1844136 - 03/18/10 06:13 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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"I am encouraged to see that many of you seem to be concerned about losing the bear archery season. We (Region 4) assume that it is popular due to the number of bears harvested. However, no one is contacting us and making their preferences known and asking us to keep the hunt in place. We are only hearing from people on the other side. If you truly are concerned about losing this hunt, then write some letters, make some phone calls, and come to the Commission Meeting in Nashville. AlanP has given this advice many times before. It is the best way to get things accomplished." is Dan Gibbs with twra?,ok twra met with bear hunters & didn't acknowledge on here that there was a meeting going to happen".
in the above post by D.G. he says region4 knows how popular the hunt is by the # of bears taken,then goes on to say that nobody must want it because they havent contacted them ?,the bow hunters didn't have no idea that the season was trying to be done away with is how it sounds from this veiwpoint. sounds like some favoritism might be accuring somewhere in the mix imo.so you have a good turn out for some type of hunt & then have a meeting with 8 hunters from a opposing veiwpoint & then claim no interest
from bow hunters,why should they write letters,give them a meeting like the bear hunters had,traxx i didn't see you verifying the meeting either so we know where some folks stand,no i dont bow hunt bears but i am a part of the hunters in this state that beleive in fair play ,this is only my humble thoughts & i have no insider info on this but i will follow thru with some calls to see what other sportsman around Tn think,mike243
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