#1847858 - 03/21/10 03:12 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Not aimed at you Double D, just their comment. So their logic is that they should be allowed to ruin other hunters opportunities, and hunting styles, by running their dogs through an area and moving game? No need to answer. I have known dog people most of my life and at the core of it is selfishness. In their mind the only ones who should be allowed to hunt bear are "bear hunters" and in order to be a bear hunter you have to have bear dogs, or you have to be in the clique.
Once upon a time I ran party hunts in Tellico and being an outsider they were PO'd. Which makes me think, perhaps we should begin applying for them ourselves. If anyone's interested I'd be happy to do it again. Back then you had to have the names and license numbers of like 60 people, then if drawn, you got another 60 or so permits. (I might be wrong on the actual numbers, it's been awhile.) If enough were interested we could even enter several different parties. And then share the additional permits with those that lost out.
If drawn, and back then we were about every other year, it would be easy to find dog men if we wanted them. And I still know the good places, and how they work the country. Just an idea. But it would make for a great fall vous........
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#1848359 - 03/21/10 07:16 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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I don't understand what is wrong with the way it is now? I'm not a bear hunter nor do I want to be. I've had many chances to take bears while hunting here in TN. I never had problems with bears messing my hunts up either. So I guess I don't truly understand what the beef is...I was asked to find out what the local club had a meeting about and did so. Is it a major problem and I just don't see it?...
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#1848399 - 03/21/10 07:25 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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So their logic is that they should be allowed to ruin other hunters opportunities, and hunting styles, by running their dogs through an area and moving game?
Sorry Citic_Tim, but your scenario and hypothesis has already been debunked. Running dogs doesn't make the game move out.
We bear hunted the same area 14 days in a row and struck FRESH bear tracks in the same general area everyday despite running dogs and trekking all over that area day in and day out. We also seen deer and turkey in the same area EVERY DAY.
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#1848467 - 03/21/10 08:04 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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I'm just saying that the bowhunters never made a fuss when we didn't have a bear season, but once the TWRA put one in, the dogs hunters have been in an uproar. The TWRA sets the seasons, the TWRA can take away the seasons. The dog hunters don't own the bears, bowhunters have a right as well as the others. Plenty to go around for everyone.
They raised a stink in our county and we called them on it. The TWRA gave the statistics and data. The County Commission sided with the bowhunters and stated they had no business messing in the wildlife management business.
Too many bears IMO. Season should be longer for all parties.
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#1848490 - 03/21/10 08:25 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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So their logic is that they should be allowed to ruin other hunters opportunities, and hunting styles, by running their dogs through an area and moving game? Sorry Citic_Tim, but your scenario and hypothesis has already been debunked. Running dogs doesn't make the game move out. We bear hunted the same area 14 days in a row and struck FRESH bear tracks in the same general area everyday despite running dogs and trekking all over that area day in and day out. We also seen deer and turkey in the same area EVERY DAY.
If you re-read my post I didn't say the game would "move out", I said they would be moving. It's kinda hard to hit a running bear with dogs behind with a bow. And for a stand or still hunter, to spend days in ambush only to have dogs running all through the area is not exactly respecting the bowhunter, is it? Besides, if someone did take a bear with a bow, with dogs on it, and they weren't part of your group, how would you react to that?
Furthermore, if dogs were allowed the entire time the bowhunters are being allowed PLUS the current dog season, it would not be considered a biologically sound thing to do. We have the surplus in bears because of past and current TWRA management decisions and allowing that level of dogging would just put us back where we were 25 years ago. The reason you were striking every day is because of those management decisions and I can remember when that just wasn't the case in Tennessee. Be careful what you wish for, if you enjoy hunting bears in Tennessee.
Now if your hunting Tellico, and the bear is not a young one, they will move out, at least temporarily, to the preserve. If they don't, they don't get old. Of course, I am assuming the dogs are good, and not spending the day running deer.
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#1848506 - 03/21/10 08:37 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Too many bears IMO. Season should be longer for all parties.
I don't disagree with that. But it has to be based on sound management practices. One of the reasons for the shorter dog season early in the fall and a longer one later is that sows with cubs are still out in Oct-Nov. By late Nov-Dec, most of them are denned and what's left are males. I suspect the kill is still a majority of young males. The seasons are set for the same reason that does were not hunted in the past, to protect the females. I wouldn't be surprised that if the numbers stay high more early dog hunts will be offered. But they have to have the data to back up those decisions and for these particular dog hunters to claim they should get to because bowhunters get to is simply dumb. It's the way these guys try to make it political that I have a problem with.
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#1849094 - 03/22/10 07:55 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Too many bears IMO. Season should be longer for all parties.
I don't disagree with that. But it has to be based on sound management practices. One of the reasons for the shorter dog season early in the fall and a longer one later is that sows with cubs are still out in Oct-Nov. By late Nov-Dec, most of them are denned and what's left are males. I suspect the kill is still a majority of young males. The seasons are set for the same reason that does were not hunted in the past, to protect the females. I wouldn't be surprised that if the numbers stay high more early dog hunts will be offered. But they have to have the data to back up those decisions and for these particular dog hunters to claim they should get to because bowhunters get to is simply dumb. It's the way these guys try to make it political that I have a problem with.
I'm with ya. Management should be the #1 priority.
In Unicoi Co., we have more Bears than deer. I'm primarily a deer hunter.
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#1849898 - 03/22/10 04:50 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Hey archer19, many moons ago I spent a summer in Erwin. Actually in the community of Unicoi, (I think that's what it was called), working at a YCC camp. Great memories of that place. When we go skiing in NC I always drive through Erwin then through Limestone Cove over to Roan Mtn. Erwin is the kind of place I could live in.
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#1851010 - 03/23/10 09:21 AM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Hey Rusty you remember what the dog hunters used as a bases for trying to get the County Commission to pass a private act to ban bear hunting with archery equipment in Unicoi County was? "Curl and Inhuman" I believe they thought some of use bow hunters had never been dog hunting with 'em; I'll just leave it at that. lol I will say this, the TWRA pulled through big time in our situation, once the County Commission herd what the TWRA biologist had too say they found out real quick they were out of their league and backed off very quickly.
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#1851844 - 03/23/10 05:45 PM
Re: Crooked politics....Bowhunters Speak-Up!!!
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Hey archer19, many moons ago I spent a summer in Erwin. Actually in the community of Unicoi, (I think that's what it was called), working at a YCC camp. Great memories of that place. When we go skiing in NC I always drive through Erwin then through Limestone Cove over to Roan Mtn. Erwin is the kind of place I could live in.
Come on back, be glad to have ya here.
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