#1830844 - 03/09/10 10:36 PM
Hunting Club set up in TN - will it work?
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KSbuck
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Say a club 750 acres in size of Timber Company land was to put in food plots, build shooting houses, have imposed regs already in place by a biologist, etc (basically a turn key hunt club in which the club has little or no say) Then the Timber Co. will take lease bids EVERY year for the property causing the club that had it during the current season to never be assured if it will keep it for the next season. My club may be about to find out thanks to a plan by a Wildlife Biology Grad student. At the current $8.50/acre we are paying he is trying to prove there is more revenue to be made from hunting for these companies. My thoughts are for the overhead to construct and maintain all these ideas he has that the price will have to be significantly higher to increase those revenues other than the standard lease we have had where the timber company basically maintains nothing and just recieves the lease payment every year. We are hearing this will affect as many as 25 tracts that this company owns. Some clubs have leased from this company for as long as 30 yrs.
If this is the future of large tract leases from Timber companies I will spend my time hunting behind my house a little and doing alot of fishing in the fall. We have had this property for several years and keep membership low to keep hunting pressure low as well, we have only taken mature bucks and improved the habitat and were finally getting some results but this may throw a big wrench in our efforts over those years.
Would you bid on such a club?
Edited by KSbuck (03/09/10 11:14 PM)
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#1830958 - 03/10/10 05:36 AM
Re: Hunting Club set up in TN - will it work?
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Mike Belt
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...the downfall of yearly leases. See if there's a way to get an extended lease; say 5 years at a time.
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#1830983 - 03/10/10 05:59 AM
Re: Hunting Club set up in TN - will it work?
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No, I would not have anything to do with this company at all !No respect at all given to the previous club and a lot of landowners have done the same . Giving in to greed and some have reaped the benefits of getting people that care less about the property or game . Money shouldn't always be the factor .
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#1831049 - 03/10/10 07:07 AM
Re: Hunting Club set up in TN - will it work?
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BowGuy84
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Im with snake...this just makes hunting even more of a rich mans game than it already is. To me it sounds like a business ploy by the grad student to get compensated for setting up properties for timber companies.
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#1831095 - 03/10/10 07:35 AM
Re: Hunting Club set up in TN - will it work?
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Those shooting houses are easy to pull down.
Diesel fuel is deadly on plot locations I hear.
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#1831113 - 03/10/10 07:42 AM
Re: Hunting Club set up in TN - will it work?
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I have been fearful of that. Lots of activity on our lease in the last month for some reason.
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#1831152 - 03/10/10 07:54 AM
Re: Hunting Club set up in TN - will it work?
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This sounds like the same system that Cumberland Hunting uses with some variations. The RLU’s they break the property they manage up in are re-bid every year unless the club that is leasing them takes a three year contract with an escalator clause built-in.
The first year they started this the club I belong to lost all of the property that we had been leasing from the previous owners for over 20 years. All of this is done to maximize the income for the leasing company.
Edited by Beekeeper (03/10/10 07:59 AM)
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#1831165 - 03/10/10 08:00 AM
Re: Hunting Club set up in TN - will it work?
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Wes Parrish
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Say a club 750 acres in size of Timber Company land was to put in food plots, build shooting houses, have imposed regs already in place by a biologist, etc (basically a turn key hunt club in which the club has little or no say) Then the Timber Co. will take lease bids EVERY year for the property causing the club that had it during the current season to never be assured if it will keep it for the next season.
My opinion:
The timber company will loose money.
And then there are other issues that would make this arrangement less efficent in terms of deer management. Noteably, will little assurance of coming back the next year, many hunters will treat the property much like a public hunting area ---- the timber company will not get something akin to an "ownership pride" which they do get with long-term leases.
It takes years to properly manage and produce what most hunters are willing to pay a premium price ---- ain't going to happen with a 1-year lease arrangement.
It's also not going to happen on 750 acres, since most bucks will roam over several thousand acres during the rut ---- meaning that adjoining land can have more impact on the herd than anything happening within that 750 acres.
And if the property is little better than public hunting, who would pay that kind of money? Not me.
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#1831174 - 03/10/10 08:07 AM
Re: Hunting Club set up in TN - will it work?
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Wes Parrish
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Everything boils down to the law of supply & demand.
The demand for hunting is actually decreasing, mainly because people are hunting less. Not to mention, there are lots of public hunting areas that now offer better quality hunting (at least in terms of deer & turkey) than they ever have at any time in the past.
Add the fact that deer have expanded into places in just the past few years (and this expansion will continue) that didn't have deer previously --- for many people, deer hunting opportunities are being created closer to home, i.e. East Tennessee hunters are now finding better quality hunting than they used to find 15 years ago by traveling to West TN.
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#1831182 - 03/10/10 08:12 AM
Re: Hunting Club set up in TN - will it work?
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I would never join a club and put any work into it without a contract for multiple years.......
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