#1831386 - 03/10/10 09:50 AM
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We could form a deer hunters union and sit down at the bargaining table with twra and not only change rules but get better healthcare benefits and less time off. Every time you kill a "trophy" you get an extra buck tag...shoot a smaller one and you lose one of your buck tags...dang, I think I'm getting a headache
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#1831400 - 03/10/10 09:56 AM
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woodchuckc
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Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not. Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting. How is that any different than someone shooting a deer out of season while claiming they were coyote hunting?
It's not, other than the fact that the poacher can claim that they killed the deer with a bow since the season is in. It is kind of hard to come up with an explanation for why you have a dead deer in your truck or hanging out behind the house with a hole in it when deer season is not open at all.
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#1831475 - 03/10/10 10:38 AM
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When new ideas, experiences, catch 22s, arise the rules need to be changed for the better!
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#1831544 - 03/10/10 11:10 AM
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I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball.... Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game. Yep they change rules in many games. Does anyone know what the rules were the very first year Tn had a statewide deer season and how many would want to live by those rules today? I agree with changing rules when needed, but to change rules that won't help or make a difference.... Thats another story...  Whatever,I know Indiana is different than Tn.
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#1831577 - 03/10/10 11:36 AM
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Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not. Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting. How is that any different than someone shooting a deer out of season while claiming they were coyote hunting? It's not, other than the fact that the poacher can claim that they killed the deer with a bow since the season is in. It is kind of hard to come up with an explanation for why you have a dead deer in your truck or hanging out behind the house with a hole in it when deer season is not open at all.
Based on your statement, who does the rule (law) benefit?
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#1831598 - 03/10/10 11:52 AM
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bowriter
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But Big Wes, how do we know the change is for the better? Who makes that call?
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#1831599 - 03/10/10 11:52 AM
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I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball.... Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game. Yep they change rules in many games. Does anyone know what the rules were the very first year Tn had a statewide deer season and how many would want to live by those rules today? I agree with changing rules when needed, but to change rules that won't help or make a difference.... Thats another story...
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#1831860 - 03/10/10 02:18 PM
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woodchuckc
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Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not. Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting. How is that any different than someone shooting a deer out of season while claiming they were coyote hunting? It's not, other than the fact that the poacher can claim that they killed the deer with a bow since the season is in. It is kind of hard to come up with an explanation for why you have a dead deer in your truck or hanging out behind the house with a hole in it when deer season is not open at all. Based on your statement, who does the rule (law) benefit?
It benefits the deer hunters, because there is potentially one (or more) less deer poached. Also, I guess it benefits the coyote hunter who might be tempted to poach that 160" buck they have had their eye on but never got a chance to take when they were bowhunting.
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#1831873 - 03/10/10 02:26 PM
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jb3
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I think a poacher is gonna poach, doesn't matter what season. Temptation to poach and actually poaching are two different things.
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#1831880 - 03/10/10 02:29 PM
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whistlinwingman
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I don't know how you all feel, but I don't want anyone firing a rifle on the farms where I am bow hunting. If this rule changes we will have to wear hunter orange in bow season, deer will become a little more pressured, and beside all this they have many more months to coyote hunt than I do bow hunt.
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