#1831239 - 03/10/10 08:35 AM
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DWM
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I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball.... Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game.
Yep they change rules in many games. Does anyone know what the rules were the very first year Tn had a statewide deer season and how many would want to live by those rules today?
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#1831245 - 03/10/10 08:38 AM
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I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball.... Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game. Yep they change rules in many games. Does anyone know what the rules were the very first year Tn had a statewide deer season and how many would want to live by those rules today?
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#1831294 - 03/10/10 09:03 AM
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Yodel Dog
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One thing about rules. Some are in place for the benefit of the game being pursued, fair chase, ethics if you will. Others are for the benefit of those making the rules. These are the rules that are twisted and turned to fit certain agendas and political in nature, and have absolutely nothing to do with hunting. These are the rules a lot of people, including myself, have a problem with. I'm not sure I see what you see Yodel Dog. I too see two sets of rules, but I put them into different categories; 1) rules intended to benefit the resource being managed (deer); and 2) rules intended to benefit the hunters/mangers (i.e. high bag limits to increase harvest opportunities, firearms seasons during the peak of the rut, etc.). I feel having both types of rules are appropriate. As I've said a zillion times, I have no problem with a management philosophy of "maximizing hunter opportunity as long as it does no harm to the resource."
Has anyone that bow hunts il heard anything about them upen the limit from one to two? I have heard from two people that they might do that since tag sells where down..
Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not. They are killed with a centerfire the rest of the year. Does this law benefit the game being pursued? Absolutely not. Therefore, who benefits from this rule? This rule is in place for the benefit of those making the rules and has absolutly nothing to do with the resource.
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#1831314 - 03/10/10 09:16 AM
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mathews338
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I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball.... Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game. If Jefferson and Washington followed the rules,I guess we would have a British flag over the state house.
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#1831325 - 03/10/10 09:20 AM
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Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not.
Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.
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#1831347 - 03/10/10 09:29 AM
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BigSatt
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Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.
That's more of a trust thing, don't you think?
Just like we trust our game management officials to listen when we want a change.
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#1831352 - 03/10/10 09:30 AM
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Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.
That's more of a trust thing, don't you think?
Sure, as long as we don't need laws against theft. I'm mean it's just a trust thing, right?
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#1831361 - 03/10/10 09:32 AM
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Yodel Dog
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Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not. Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.
How is that any different than someone shooting a deer out of season while claiming they were coyote hunting?
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#1831371 - 03/10/10 09:37 AM
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gator-n-buck
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I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball.... Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game. Yep they change rules in many games. Does anyone know what the rules were the very first year Tn had a statewide deer season and how many would want to live by those rules today?
I agree with changing rules when needed, but to change rules that won't help or make a difference.... Thats another story...
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#1831381 - 03/10/10 09:47 AM
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BigSatt
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Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.
That's more of a trust thing, don't you think? Sure, as long as we don't need laws against theft. I'm mean it's just a trust thing, right?
Please expound.
Based on your statement, what would we be stealing........deer?
I thought that was a resource shared by ALL.
If a person does not want to respond to a particular question, then so be it. But, please don't make an unrelated comparison and somehow try to find a way to "disregard" the original question. Thanks.
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