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#1830781 - 03/09/10 10:08 PM Rules................
gator-n-buck
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I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball....
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#1830805 - 03/09/10 10:19 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: gator-n-buck]
Setterman
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I hate rules/regs, in reality the less regs the better. I got side tracked last year from my normal persona and went nuts about regs. That will not happen again, I will just meld myself into whatever regs I have to work with, and find a way to fill my tags with what meets my standards.
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#1830809 - 03/09/10 10:21 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: gator-n-buck]
RKenney
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I was "sitting on a bucket" when I killed the best buck of my
life, but he wasn't the "first buck that walked by".

160" Maury County buck.....after passing on a nervous 6 pointer.

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#1830831 - 03/09/10 10:26 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: Setterman]
gator-n-buck
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I hate rules/regs, in reality the less regs the better. I got side tracked last year from my normal persona and went nuts about regs. That will not happen again, I will just meld myself into whatever regs I have to work with, and find a way to fill my tags with what meets my standards.


My first basketball that I ever played organized was in H.S. (freshman yr). I fouled out in the 1st quarter... When I went to the bench the coach told me that if I wanted to play longer, I would have to follow the rules... He could of pulled me and saved me for later minutes. I guess he wanted to teach me a lession. Never did that again...

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#1830842 - 03/09/10 10:33 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: ]
johndeere
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Even if I wanted to change them which I dont I couldnt do it. So when life gives you lemons make lemonade. LMAO
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#1830851 - 03/09/10 10:39 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: RKenney]
Yodel Dog
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One thing about rules. Some are in place for the benefit of the game being pursued, fair chase, ethics if you will. Others are for the benefit of those making the rules. These are the rules that are twisted and turned to fit certain agendas and political in nature, and have absolutely nothing to do with hunting. These are the rules a lot of people, including myself, have a problem with.

Edited by Yodel Dog (03/09/10 10:42 PM)
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#1830878 - 03/09/10 10:55 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: Yodel Dog]
gator-n-buck
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 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
One thing about rules. Some are in place for the benefit of the game being pursued, fair chase, ethics if you will. Others are for the benefit of those making the rules. These are the rules that are twisted and turned to fit certain agendas and political in nature, and have absolutely nothing to do with hunting. These are the rules a lot of people, including myself, have a problem with.


I don't see a lot of the rules like that when it comes to hunting in TN... I think the rules are set up for the majority of hunters in TN... I probably fit somewhere in the middle and maybe thats why I don't see the problem. I know the guys on the other end would see the opposite from you... You got to remember that TWRA is trying to please a whole state of hunters and most of those hunters could careless about horns....


Edited by gator-n-buck (03/09/10 11:02 PM)

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#1831181 - 03/10/10 08:11 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: Yodel Dog]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
One thing about rules. Some are in place for the benefit of the game being pursued, fair chase, ethics if you will. Others are for the benefit of those making the rules. These are the rules that are twisted and turned to fit certain agendas and political in nature, and have absolutely nothing to do with hunting. These are the rules a lot of people, including myself, have a problem with.


I'm not sure I see what you see Yodel Dog. I too see two sets of rules, but I put them into different categories; 1) rules intended to benefit the resource being managed (deer); and 2) rules intended to benefit the hunters/mangers (i.e. high bag limits to increase harvest opportunities, firearms seasons during the peak of the rut, etc.). I feel having both types of rules are appropriate.

As I've said a zillion times, I have no problem with a management philosophy of "maximizing hunter opportunity as long as it does no harm to the resource."
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#1831194 - 03/10/10 08:17 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: gator-n-buck]
Football Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball....
Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game.

If Jefferson and Washington followed the rules,I guess we would have a British flag over the state house.
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#1831212 - 03/10/10 08:24 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: Football Hunter]
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Anybody ever played TEGWAR- The Amazing Game Without Any Rules. It is a card game rodeo cowboys use to play. We used it to sucker the dudes.
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#1831239 - 03/10/10 08:35 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: Football Hunter]
DWM
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball....
Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game.

Yep they change rules in many games. Does anyone know what the rules were the very first year Tn had a statewide deer season and how many would want to live by those rules today?
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#1831245 - 03/10/10 08:38 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: DWM]
Football Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: DWM
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball....
Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game.

Yep they change rules in many games. Does anyone know what the rules were the very first year Tn had a statewide deer season and how many would want to live by those rules today?
yep
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#1831294 - 03/10/10 09:03 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: BSK]
Yodel Dog
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
One thing about rules. Some are in place for the benefit of the game being pursued, fair chase, ethics if you will. Others are for the benefit of those making the rules. These are the rules that are twisted and turned to fit certain agendas and political in nature, and have absolutely nothing to do with hunting. These are the rules a lot of people, including myself, have a problem with.


I'm not sure I see what you see Yodel Dog. I too see two sets of rules, but I put them into different categories; 1) rules intended to benefit the resource being managed (deer); and 2) rules intended to benefit the hunters/mangers (i.e. high bag limits to increase harvest opportunities, firearms seasons during the peak of the rut, etc.). I feel having both types of rules are appropriate.

As I've said a zillion times, I have no problem with a management philosophy of "maximizing hunter opportunity as long as it does no harm to the resource."


 Originally Posted By: BoneHead1
Has anyone that bow hunts il heard anything about them upen the limit from one to two? I have heard from two people that they might do that since tag sells where down..


Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not. They are killed with a centerfire the rest of the year. Does this law benefit the game being pursued? Absolutely not. Therefore, who benefits from this rule? This rule is in place for the benefit of those making the rules and has absolutly nothing to do with the resource.
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#1831314 - 03/10/10 09:16 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: Football Hunter]
mathews338
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball....
Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game.

If Jefferson and Washington followed the rules,I guess we would have a British flag over the state house.
yes sir you got that right sometimes a change is needed and sometimes it is not and we all have different opinions on what could be done to make our on personal experiences better

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#1831325 - 03/10/10 09:20 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: Yodel Dog]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not.


Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.
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#1831347 - 03/10/10 09:29 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: BSK]
BigSatt
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.



That's more of a trust thing, don't you think?

Just like we trust our game management officials to listen when we want a change.
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#1831352 - 03/10/10 09:30 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: BigSatt]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: BigSatt
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.



That's more of a trust thing, don't you think?


Sure, as long as we don't need laws against theft. I'm mean it's just a trust thing, right?
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#1831361 - 03/10/10 09:32 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: BSK]
Yodel Dog
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not.


Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.


How is that any different than someone shooting a deer out of season while claiming they were coyote hunting?
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#1831371 - 03/10/10 09:37 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: DWM]
gator-n-buck
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 Originally Posted By: DWM
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball....
Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game.

Yep they change rules in many games. Does anyone know what the rules were the very first year Tn had a statewide deer season and how many would want to live by those rules today?


I agree with changing rules when needed, but to change rules that won't help or make a difference.... Thats another story...

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#1831381 - 03/10/10 09:47 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: BigSatt]
BigSatt
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: BigSatt
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.



That's more of a trust thing, don't you think?


Sure, as long as we don't need laws against theft. I'm mean it's just a trust thing, right?



Please expound.

Based on your statement, what would we be stealing........deer?

I thought that was a resource shared by ALL.

If a person does not want to respond to a particular question, then so be it. But, please don't make an unrelated comparison and somehow try to find a way to "disregard" the original question. Thanks.
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#1831386 - 03/10/10 09:50 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: gator-n-buck]
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We could form a deer hunters union and sit down at the bargaining table with twra and not only change rules but get better healthcare benefits and less time off. Every time you kill a "trophy" you get an extra buck tag...shoot a smaller one and you lose one of your buck tags...dang, I think I'm getting a headache
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#1831400 - 03/10/10 09:56 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: Yodel Dog]
woodchuckc
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 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not.


Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.


How is that any different than someone shooting a deer out of season while claiming they were coyote hunting?


It's not, other than the fact that the poacher can claim that they killed the deer with a bow since the season is in. It is kind of hard to come up with an explanation for why you have a dead deer in your truck or hanging out behind the house with a hole in it when deer season is not open at all.

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#1831475 - 03/10/10 10:38 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: woodchuckc]
BigWes50
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When new ideas, experiences, catch 22s, arise the rules need to be changed for the better!
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#1831544 - 03/10/10 11:10 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: gator-n-buck]
Football Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
 Originally Posted By: DWM
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball....
Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game.

Yep they change rules in many games. Does anyone know what the rules were the very first year Tn had a statewide deer season and how many would want to live by those rules today?


I agree with changing rules when needed, but to change rules that won't help or make a difference.... Thats another story...
And we know they wont help because......look,I dont really care,my place has a big buffer,my rules seem to apply all around me.Indiana didnt think they would work either \:\) \:\) Whatever,I know Indiana is different than Tn.
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#1831577 - 03/10/10 11:36 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: woodchuckc]
Yodel Dog
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 Originally Posted By: woodchuckc
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not.


Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.


How is that any different than someone shooting a deer out of season while claiming they were coyote hunting?


It's not, other than the fact that the poacher can claim that they killed the deer with a bow since the season is in. It is kind of hard to come up with an explanation for why you have a dead deer in your truck or hanging out behind the house with a hole in it when deer season is not open at all.


Based on your statement, who does the rule (law) benefit?
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#1831598 - 03/10/10 11:52 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: Yodel Dog]
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But Big Wes, how do we know the change is for the better? Who makes that call?
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#1831599 - 03/10/10 11:52 AM Re: Rules................ [Re: gator-n-buck]
mathews338
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
 Originally Posted By: DWM
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
I grew up playing sports and they all had rules... I never thought much about changing them, I just tried to improve myself within the rules... I find myself doing the same with the rules that TWRA sets up... I have always wondered if some of the debates come from hunters that can't adapt to the rules and they are always looking for an easier out... I know some hunter are wanting to improve the area around them but is that fair to the man that is happy sitting on the bucket, shooting the first deer that walks bye... It was pointed out one time that my views were not for a one buck limit but I had traits of a trophy hunter... This might be true but I'm not going to change the rules to fit the game that I want to play.... This is what makes it a sport and all sports have rules.... play ball....
Rules are changed all the time in the NFL to improve the game.

Yep they change rules in many games. Does anyone know what the rules were the very first year Tn had a statewide deer season and how many would want to live by those rules today?


I agree with changing rules when needed, but to change rules that won't help or make a difference.... Thats another story...
the problem is that nobody can prove that it would not work nor can it be proved that it would until you try something there is no way of knowing and that is my problem with everything that has been beat to death on here the last couple of months and the truth is i dont care if it ever changes cause i can adjust and do whatever i need to do to succeed if i'm not happy here i'll go somewhere else so far i'm happy with the success i've had here but that could change

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#1831860 - 03/10/10 02:18 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: Yodel Dog]
woodchuckc
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 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: woodchuckc
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not.


Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.


How is that any different than someone shooting a deer out of season while claiming they were coyote hunting?


It's not, other than the fact that the poacher can claim that they killed the deer with a bow since the season is in. It is kind of hard to come up with an explanation for why you have a dead deer in your truck or hanging out behind the house with a hole in it when deer season is not open at all.


Based on your statement, who does the rule (law) benefit?


It benefits the deer hunters, because there is potentially one (or more) less deer poached. Also, I guess it benefits the coyote hunter who might be tempted to poach that 160" buck they have had their eye on but never got a chance to take when they were bowhunting.

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#1831873 - 03/10/10 02:26 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: woodchuckc]
jb3
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I think a poacher is gonna poach, doesn't matter what season. Temptation to poach and actually poaching are two different things.
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#1831880 - 03/10/10 02:29 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: woodchuckc]
whistlinwingman
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I don't know how you all feel, but I don't want anyone firing a rifle on the farms where I am bow hunting. If this rule changes we will have to wear hunter orange in bow season, deer will become a little more pressured, and beside all this they have many more months to coyote hunt than I do bow hunt.
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#1831881 - 03/10/10 02:29 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: jb3]
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In the actual sense of the term poaching is stealing. It's stealing game from the honest hunters and anyone who enjoys wildlife whether they hunt or not.
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#1831908 - 03/10/10 02:43 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: Bigg'un4214]
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Can a person squirel hunt with a .22 mag during archery season? Growing up hunting in Grundy County, I did know of a person or two that did use .22 mags to take down deer.
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#1832058 - 03/10/10 04:53 PM Re: Rules................ [Re: woodchuckc]
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 Originally Posted By: woodchuckc
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
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 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
Hopefully this will better explain the types of rules I'm talking about having a problem with. I didn't refer to TN rules in particular, but don't think the same type thing doesn't happen everywhere. I'm not even sure the above is true, but if it is, it has nothing to do with the resource. One more example from our own state. 1)I understand why we can not spotlight deer. Fair chase, ethics, both come into play. 2)We can not hunt coyotes during archery season with a centerfire rifle. Does this have anything to do with fair chase or ethics? Absolutely not.


Actually I see that as a fairly common sense rule, to keep people from shooting deer with a rifle during archery season while claiming they were coyote hunting.


How is that any different than someone shooting a deer out of season while claiming they were coyote hunting?


It's not, other than the fact that the poacher can claim that they killed the deer with a bow since the season is in. It is kind of hard to come up with an explanation for why you have a dead deer in your truck or hanging out behind the house with a hole in it when deer season is not open at all.


Based on your statement, who does the rule (law) benefit?


It benefits the deer hunters, because there is potentially one (or more) less deer poached. Also, I guess it benefits the coyote hunter who might be tempted to poach that 160" buck they have had their eye on but never got a chance to take when they were bowhunting.


A poacher is a poacher, whether he carries a rimfire or centerfire.
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