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#1829207 - 03/09/10 06:57 AM Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement [Re: TeamMainStreet]
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I'm trying to understand something here on this thread. The "if I'm told no, then I'm going to trespass anyway" attitude isn't any better than your average trespasser either imo. Trespassing is trespassing, plain and simple. I can understand the concern for the dogs and wanting to get them back, and I would most certainly allow one to do just that from my property, but it's still within the right of any property owner to refuse access to their land if they so choose. Touchy situation I guess, and I sure don't have an answer for it. Maybe calling for the dogs on the outskirts of the property in question, or just wait it out for someone to find the dog and call the number on the collar? That's what most of the locals do around my place anyway.
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#1829258 - 03/09/10 07:44 AM Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement [Re: MUP]
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Sometimes, hunters should use good judgement when taking dogs to smaller properties and turning them out to run....

Most times, a coon will climb the nearest tree or at least will not run far before seeking a tree simply because they can't outrun a dog.. Now, unless a dog strikes a coon near a property line, the odds are high that the dog should tree the coon while still on the land you are hunting on. maybe starting the dog in a central location on the property might help or after the dog trees the first coon, then leash the dog and take it back to a central location....If a dog trees near a property line, you can't just let him go from there because it's likely to head the wrong way.

I rabbit hunted for many years and I can say with confidence that most times a rabbit will circle before getting to far from it's territory. Even in a huge cotton field, a rabbit (most times) will circle before getting too far .... most times if I knew where the dogs jumped the rabbit, I'd stand right there and wait for the rabbit to come back...

My point is that not all property is good for hunting with dogs. A ten acre farm, for example, maybe shouldn't be on your list of places to run coon dogs or a pack of beagles, especially if you can't legally access the adjoining properties.

I know that finding a place to run your dogs is difficult enough without limiting yourself to certain acreages. However, sometimes it's not a good idea to risk your dogs getting on other's land.....

IMO, being a responsible dog owner and hunter is just like being a responsible parent.

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#1829261 - 03/09/10 07:45 AM Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Good post BH.
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#1829376 - 03/09/10 09:31 AM Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement [Re: MUP]
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If the landowner will not allow you to retrieve your animal, then it's time to get the county TWRA officer to step in and help. They will serve as a mediary between responsible coon hunters and landowners. Of course, the county officers already know who the responsible dog owners and who the irresponsible dog owners are.

I love racoons, I think they are really cute animals and respect thier intelligence. It's a total shame I feel I have to shoot every one I encounter just so I don't attract the irresponsible coon hunters to my property. No coons= no coon hunters.

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#1830251 - 03/09/10 06:17 PM Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement [Re: Bottom Hunter]
TeamMainStreet
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
Sometimes, hunters should use good judgement when taking dogs to smaller properties and turning them out to run....

Most times, a coon will climb the nearest tree or at least will not run far before seeking a tree simply because they can't outrun a dog.. Now, unless a dog strikes a coon near a property line, the odds are high that the dog should tree the coon while still on the land you are hunting on. maybe starting the dog in a central location on the property might help or after the dog trees the first coon, then leash the dog and take it back to a central location....If a dog trees near a property line, you can't just let him go from there because it's likely to head the wrong way.

I rabbit hunted for many years and I can say with confidence that most times a rabbit will circle before getting to far from it's territory. Even in a huge cotton field, a rabbit (most times) will circle before getting too far .... most times if I knew where the dogs jumped the rabbit, I'd stand right there and wait for the rabbit to come back...

My point is that not all property is good for hunting with dogs. A ten acre farm, for example, maybe shouldn't be on your list of places to run coon dogs or a pack of beagles, especially if you can't legally access the adjoining properties.

I know that finding a place to run your dogs is difficult enough without limiting yourself to certain acreages. However, sometimes it's not a good idea to risk your dogs getting on other's land.....

IMO, being a responsible dog owner and hunter is just like being a responsible parent.

BH


What about them old boar coons on a clear moonlit night that will run as hard as they can go in a straight line for 2 miles up the country. If your opinion of a responsible dog owner is the same as a responsible parent then what if you let your kid go outside and play and he wandered over to the neighbors. You go ask if you can go get him and the neighbor says no. Then what will you do. i know this may be comparing apples to oranges to you but I have a lot of time and money in my dogs and consider them part of the family. I know what I would do. And poeple wont let you coon hunt your kind of limited to small tracts. You guys do the same thing with deer hunting. Get in where you can.


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#1830266 - 03/09/10 06:24 PM Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement [Re: megalomaniac]
TeamMainStreet
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 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac
If the landowner will not allow you to retrieve your animal, then it's time to get the county TWRA officer to step in and help. They will serve as a mediary between responsible coon hunters and landowners. Of course, the county officers already know who the responsible dog owners and who the irresponsible dog owners are.

I love racoons, I think they are really cute animals and respect thier intelligence. It's a total shame I feel I have to shoot every one I encounter just so I don't attract the irresponsible coon hunters to my property. No coons= no coon hunters.




That route has been traveled many times by me and several of my hunting buddies. You can call our warden or the law for that matter and they say " so what, we aint dog catchers". I consider myself one of the responsible hunters. Like I said if I dont have permission I dont hunt it. If I need to get my dog I ask permission as nicely as possible. If I tree more than one coon in a tree I only take one out with me. When you cant get anybody with any authority to help you out what are you gonna do?
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#1830275 - 03/09/10 06:27 PM Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement [Re: MUP]
TeamMainStreet
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
I'm trying to understand something here on this thread. The "if I'm told no, then I'm going to trespass anyway" attitude isn't any better than your average trespasser either imo. Trespassing is trespassing, plain and simple. I can understand the concern for the dogs and wanting to get them back, and I would most certainly allow one to do just that from my property, but it's still within the right of any property owner to refuse access to their land if they so choose. Touchy situation I guess, and I sure don't have an answer for it. Maybe calling for the dogs on the outskirts of the property in question, or just wait it out for someone to find the dog and call the number on the collar? That's what most of the locals do around my place anyway.


This is not law by any means and is strictly my own opinion BUT after I have asked permission to get my animal and am told no then at that point I take it that my animal is bieng held captive against his will. It dont matter how he got there, if I cant retrieve him he is still there. I start getting defensive at that point. If you wont let me go get him I very seriously doubt that you will take the time to call the number on the collar. If you have ever had any experience in coon hunting you know that 99% of the time you are wasting your breath trying to call a dog off of a tree that he is certain has a coon in it.


Edited by TeamMainStreet (03/09/10 06:29 PM)
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#1830283 - 03/09/10 06:32 PM Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement [Re: TeamMainStreet]
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how many acres does anybody consider enuf to coon hunt on? ,how many get permission from ajoining land owners for permission?.i know i have not seen many tracts of land that will be big enuf to keep dogs on around here,had a yard full of coon dogs 1 nite & they may have been fox hounds,to dark to tell but somewhere in the 10-12 range,if they had jumped my tied up rabbit dogs they would have been short some,as far as im concerned they were trespassing & the owners were at fault.like i have stated before,coon hunting days are numbered due to a lack of property.mike243
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#1830299 - 03/09/10 06:44 PM Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement [Re: mike243]
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All hunters need to stick together... If we haven't noticed several states won't even let you use a rifle to deer hunt... Before you know it, it will be archery only... Then what would the buck limit guys have to debate...
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#1830312 - 03/09/10 06:49 PM Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
All hunters need to stick together... If we haven't noticed several states won't even let you use a rifle to deer hunt... Before you know it, it will be archery only... Then what would the buck limit guys have to debate...


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