#1827990 - 03/08/10 11:19 AM
Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement
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......they talk about how the least little thing will make a mature deer leave the area, but they see no issue with men and dogs running around out there all night.....
From my experiences, older more wary deer do have the ability to differentiate "dangerous" human behavior from non-dangerous human behavior (although how they do this is unknown). A mature buck that lives every day in close association with humans (suburban deer or deer on working farms) will ignore what he considers to be non-dangerous human behavior but will react very quickly to behavior he believes is threatening (hunting behavior).
so let me get this right......if I come in an area that was coon hunted just 6 hours before, I should be okay and the deer will be back in there.....
I certainly wouldn't want coon hunters on my property the night before I wanted to deer hunt, but in the off-season, as long as the dogs were trained not to chase deer, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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#1828614 - 03/08/10 07:15 PM
Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement
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I didn't bother reading the study. I know from my experience that the very first year I stopped coon hunters on my place my deer sighting went up tremendously. Anytime I stop seeing deer I can check my cameras and find dog pictures. No way someone is going to convince me its just a coincidence. This has been an 8 year observation.
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#1828618 - 03/08/10 07:17 PM
Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement
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I see nothing wrong with coon hunting on your own land or land you have written permission to be on.
I have a BIG problem with dogs or people who do not respect property boundaries.
I only coon hunt land where I know I have permission. It just happens to be the same place I deer hunt most of the time. I will always ask permission to go get my dog and will not knowingly turn loose where I know I dont have permission. That being said, A DOG DOES NOT KNOW BOUNDARIES. He can not read and while in chase will not know, nor care, if he is still on permissable land. How can some poeple fault the dog or the hunter for that even if they turned loose where they had permission to hunt. I am respectful of other people and their property. If they dont want me to shoot the coon that is fine. If I have enough respect to ask if I can get my dog then they in turn should have enough respect to let me go get him. I will get my dog. I may be in jail the next morning but my dog will return with me. I know this is a little off subject of hounds running deer but I just cant understand people sometimes.
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#1828683 - 03/08/10 07:42 PM
Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement
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I see nothing wrong with coon hunting on your own land or land you have written permission to be on.
I have a BIG problem with dogs or people who do not respect property boundaries. I only coon hunt land where I know I have permission. It just happens to be the same place I deer hunt most of the time. I will always ask permission to go get my dog and will not knowingly turn loose where I know I dont have permission. That being said, A DOG DOES NOT KNOW BOUNDARIES. He can not read and while in chase will not know, nor care, if he is still on permissable land. How can some poeple fault the dog or the hunter for that even if they turned loose where they had permission to hunt. I am respectful of other people and their property. If they dont want me to shoot the coon that is fine. If I have enough respect to ask if I can get my dog then they in turn should have enough respect to let me go get him. I will get my dog. I may be in jail the next morning but my dog will return with me. I know this is a little off subject of hounds running deer but I just cant understand people sometimes.
I grew up coon hunting and my dad still does it to this day... I only deer hunt but since I have a coon hunting background I can totally agree with you. There are too many people that don't know enough about a subject but can tell you all the negatives about it. This kind of reminds me of the time I was in college and my roommate wanted me to go play golf with him. I told him it was a wimp sport and he would never find me on a golf course. a couple of year later I took up the sport and spent 12 more years chasing that little white ball around. I learned that you should never put something down, that you never tried...
P.S. Kind of like running deer with dogs.... Its a blast.
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#1828720 - 03/08/10 07:55 PM
Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement
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I dont want ANYONE or ANY DOGS on our property period! If they ask out of deer season, thats ok with me (depending on who they are). I clinch my fists when I find beer cans on our logging roads!
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#1828760 - 03/08/10 08:11 PM
Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement
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Yotes effect the deer more than a well trained coon dog..... I guess sometimes they might help your hunting and sometimes they might hurt your hunting. Its like anything in life... We never know... 
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#1828769 - 03/08/10 08:14 PM
Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement
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Cool Info, Alot of people think that they do!
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#1828788 - 03/08/10 08:22 PM
Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement
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Cool Info, Alot of people think that they do!
Coondogs might only be on your property a few nights out of a year.... Yotes run the property all year long... Splitting hars on this subject.... A dog is a dog but one might be a little more wild...
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#1828893 - 03/08/10 09:20 PM
Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement
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I see nothing wrong with coon hunting on your own land or land you have written permission to be on.
I have a BIG problem with dogs or people who do not respect property boundaries. I only coon hunt land where I know I have permission. It just happens to be the same place I deer hunt most of the time. I will always ask permission to go get my dog and will not knowingly turn loose where I know I dont have permission. That being said, A DOG DOES NOT KNOW BOUNDARIES. He can not read and while in chase will not know, nor care, if he is still on permissable land. How can some poeple fault the dog or the hunter for that even if they turned loose where they had permission to hunt. I am respectful of other people and their property. If they dont want me to shoot the coon that is fine. If I have enough respect to ask if I can get my dog then they in turn should have enough respect to let me go get him. I will get my dog. I may be in jail the next morning but my dog will return with me. I know this is a little off subject of hounds running deer but I just cant understand people sometimes.
I'm pretty to easy to understand. If you tresspass on my property, you will be prosecuted. I pay the annual taxes, insurance, and have the headache of maintaning the land. If you would like to pay those things for me, then I would gladly let you coon hunt outside of deer season. Otherwise, I do not think it is unreasonable for you to respect my rights as a property OWNER.
That being said, I realize that dogs are less intelligent than some humans, and if your dog wanders onto my property, I will allow you to retrieve your dog AFTER asking for permission. But hiding behind the excuse that dogs do not understand property lines is not much of an excuse. Dog owners ARE RESPONSIBLE for the actions of their dogs.
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#1829089 - 03/08/10 11:32 PM
Re: Study:Coondogs effect on deer movement
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I see nothing wrong with coon hunting on your own land or land you have written permission to be on.
I have a BIG problem with dogs or people who do not respect property boundaries. I only coon hunt land where I know I have permission. It just happens to be the same place I deer hunt most of the time. I will always ask permission to go get my dog and will not knowingly turn loose where I know I dont have permission. That being said, A DOG DOES NOT KNOW BOUNDARIES. He can not read and while in chase will not know, nor care, if he is still on permissable land. How can some poeple fault the dog or the hunter for that even if they turned loose where they had permission to hunt. I am respectful of other people and their property. If they dont want me to shoot the coon that is fine. If I have enough respect to ask if I can get my dog then they in turn should have enough respect to let me go get him. I will get my dog. I may be in jail the next morning but my dog will return with me. I know this is a little off subject of hounds running deer but I just cant understand people sometimes. I'm pretty to easy to understand. If you tresspass on my property, you will be prosecuted. I pay the annual taxes, insurance, and have the headache of maintaning the land. If you would like to pay those things for me, then I would gladly let you coon hunt outside of deer season. Otherwise, I do not think it is unreasonable for you to respect my rights as a property OWNER. That being said, I realize that dogs are less intelligent than some humans, and if your dog wanders onto my property, I will allow you to retrieve your dog AFTER asking for permission. But hiding behind the excuse that dogs do not understand property lines is not much of an excuse. Dog owners ARE RESPONSIBLE for the actions of their dogs.
I appreciate the fact that you would let me retrieve my dog after I ask your permission. Some people wont even let you do that. But who said I was hiding behind any excuses. Have you ever seen a dog that came to a fence and then turned around and came back because he knew that being on the other property was illegal. You are exactly right about owners being responsible for thier dogs actions. I said before that I would ask first to get my dog all the while being the nicest and most courteous that I can be. But if permission is not granted what am I supposed to do? If I ask and am told no then I may be took to jail for the night but he will be coming with me regardless. That is me being responsible for my dog.
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