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#1824730 - 03/05/10 10:34 PM Re: TN vs. KY DIRT FACTS [Re: stik]
Beekeeper
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 Originally Posted By: stik
EVERYBODY is ignorant on something.
Yep. Ignorance is cureable if the person is willing to learn.
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#1824734 - 03/05/10 10:35 PM Re: TN vs. KY DIRT FACTS [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
BigGameGuy
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
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BGG,

How does our age processor data compare to KY's processor data?


This year our processor data was roughly 39% yearling, 41% 2-1/2, and 20% 3-1/2+.

I do not have Kentucky's current year data but the last time it was provided, I believe they were in the low 40 percent for yearlings and were also showing 20% 3-1/2+.




So basically our processor data was about the same as our check station data?

If so, have they pretty much run about the same over the years?


Yes, we ran concurrent data collection this year at processors and check stations to see how different the data set would be. There was no statistical difference in age data this year (1-1/2+) between the two sites.
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#1824736 - 03/05/10 10:36 PM Re: TN vs. KY DIRT FACTS [Re: stik]
BigGameGuy
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 Originally Posted By: stik
EVERYBODY is ignorant on something.


I couldn't agree more...just ask my wife.
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#1824742 - 03/05/10 10:42 PM Re: TN vs. KY DIRT FACTS [Re: BigGameGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
BGG,

How does our age processor data compare to KY's processor data?


This year our processor data was roughly 39% yearling, 41% 2-1/2, and 20% 3-1/2+.

I do not have Kentucky's current year data but the last time it was provided, I believe they were in the low 40 percent for yearlings and were also showing 20% 3-1/2+.




So basically our processor data was about the same as our check station data?

If so, have they pretty much run about the same over the years?


Yes, we ran concurrent data collection this year at processors and check stations to see how different the data set would be. There was no statistical difference in age data this year (1-1/2+) between the two sites.


what about pass years how does the data from both compare?
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#1824748 - 03/05/10 10:44 PM Re: TN vs. KY DIRT FACTS [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I'm very confused by some of the numbers being presented here. I've downloaded all of the USDA data and calculated it for myself and the argument actually goes against there being little difference between KY and TN.

KY is a smaller state than TN to the tune of over a million acres, yet KY regularly reports more than a million more acres of agricultural production. Looking from year to year, KY regularly reports 25% higher agricultural acres as a percent of total acres of land than TN. In 2008, KY had more than TWICE the acreage of corn (105.8%) and 10% more acreage of soybeans than TN. Crop yields--a direct measure of soil fertility--consistantly runs 17-20% higher per acre in KY than TN for both corn and soybeans.
The fact KY has more agriculture, produces more of the most important crops for deer nutrition, and has higher quality soils (higher crop yields per acre) is obvious. I don't understand the argument?

Oh... yes I do... The trophyists are twisting the facts again....

Typical...


HERE ARE THE REAL FACTS, TENNESSEE CORN YIELDS 2009
Corn for grain production is estimated at 87.3 million bushels, up 17 percent from 2008. The final yield, at 148 bushels
per acre,
148 BU AV, 87.3 MILLION BUSHELS

KY CORN YIELD FOR 09

Corn For Grain Total For Crop 2009 Kentucky State Total 99 1,220,000 acres 1,150,000 acres 165 bushel 189,750,000 bushel
165 BU AVERAGE 189 MILL BUSHELS


TN SOYBEAN YIELD 2009
Soybean production is estimated at 68.9 million bushels, up 39 percent from the year earlier and the highest since 1979.
The State’s final soybean yield is estimated at 45 bushels per acre.. Producers planted 1,570,000 acres and harvested 1,530,000 acres for beans.
45 BU AC/ 68.9 MILLION BUSHELS

KY YEILD FOR BEANS
Soybeans Total For Crop 2009 Kentucky State Total 99 1,430,000 acres 1,420,000 acres 48 bushel 68,160,000 bushel
48 BU AC, 68.16 MILLION BUSHELS

APPEARS YOU CALCULATOR WAS MIXED UP, A 3 BU INCREASE IN SOYBEANS IS NOT A 17-20% INCREASE IN YIELDS AS YOU SUGGESTED.

Talk about twisting facts!

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#1824753 - 03/05/10 10:50 PM Re: TN vs. KY DIRT FACTS [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
BigGameGuy
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
what about pass years how does the data from both compare?


We only have two years data. Unfortunately last year's data showed a difference between the two sites. That means we won't know the answer for another few years after we collect more data.
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#1824755 - 03/05/10 10:52 PM Re: TN vs. KY DIRT FACTS [Re: BigGameGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
In fact I may be in desperate need of volunteers in the south central part of TN the next few weeks. PM me if you are interested. (FYI - It will be very late nights...2:00 a.m. conclusion times.)


Pm sent. I live and hunt in this area.
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#1824759 - 03/05/10 10:54 PM Re: TN vs. KY DIRT FACTS [Re: BigGameGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
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what about pass years how does the data from both compare?


We only have two years data. Unfortunately last year's data showed a difference between the two sites. That means we won't know the answer for another few years after we collect more data.


I thought Yall had been collecting some data from processors for several years.
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#1824760 - 03/05/10 10:58 PM Re: TN vs. KY DIRT FACTS [Re: Beekeeper]
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 Originally Posted By: Beekeeper
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: budro2
your statement is very disappointing, if I said the same thing about you, I would be booted from the forum.


Yesiree, you're 100% correct. Take it from someone that knows firsthand.
If it is the post I remember you attacked the integrity of the TWRA not their knowledge.
I have a question for you and budro2. Just how much do you know about constructing a statistical model and how to interpret the data derived from it?


you are always wanting to ask questions, why dont you provide some answers, and show your "lack of ignorance" .
What do you know about these soils on my property and why has this farm produced several 160 plus bucks in the last 7 years?
Soil Code Soil Series Name Soil Info – Percent slope Erosion potential Area %
BnF2 Berks-Brownsville very rocky, 30 to 55% slope eroded 63
BvF2 Brownsville-Berks 30 to 60% slope eroded 30
Sx Skidmore gravelly silt loam 0 to 5% slope occasional flooding 4
SkF2 Shelocta silt loam 20 to 45% slope eroded

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#1824769 - 03/05/10 11:10 PM Re: TN vs. KY DIRT FACTS [Re: budro2]
Beekeeper
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 Originally Posted By: budro2
 Originally Posted By: Beekeeper
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: budro2
your statement is very disappointing, if I said the same thing about you, I would be booted from the forum.


Yesiree, you're 100% correct. Take it from someone that knows firsthand.
If it is the post I remember you attacked the integrity of the TWRA not their knowledge.
I have a question for you and budro2. Just how much do you know about constructing a statistical model and how to interpret the data derived from it?

you are always wanting to ask questions, why dont you provide some answers, and show your "lack of ignorance" .
What do you know about these soils on my property and why has this farm produced several 160 plus bucks in the last 7 years?
Soil Code Soil Series Name Soil Info – Percent slope Erosion potential Area %
BnF2 Berks-Brownsville very rocky, 30 to 55% slope eroded 63
BvF2 Brownsville-Berks 30 to 60% slope eroded 30
Sx Skidmore gravelly silt loam 0 to 5% slope occasional flooding 4
SkF2 Shelocta silt loam 20 to 45% slope eroded

I don't know much about the soil in your area but I would think that there is good forge for the deer and the hunting pressure is not really heavy. The ability of the hunter or hunters that harvested these animals would also play abig part along with any local standards (Antler Restrictions). I only ask questions to find answers. Not to prove or disprove anyones ignorance. Sometimes the answers I find are not nessecarily the answers I expect.


Edited by Beekeeper (03/05/10 11:12 PM)
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