#1818045 - 03/02/10 01:54 PM
Re: Run or hide....?
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Tnyoteboy
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Just an opinion, but I think it depends on what type of cover you are walking through. I believe a mature buck would rather stick to some tight, small thick piece of cover than take the chance of bolting out into an open area just to escape. Chances are you would walk right past it like most hunters would (unless they've ever pushed a piece of cover like that and killed something) and wait for you to leave.
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#1818050 - 03/02/10 01:57 PM
Re: Run or hide....?
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Quite a few years ago a study was conucted on the King Ranch in TX. Because they already had a large number of bucks radio-collared, the had the opportunity to approach the known location of these radio-collared bucks (walking directly at each buck's radio-signal). Through triangulation, they could watch for when each individual buck reacted to the person walking towards them.
When reviewing the data, they found exactly the opposite of what they had expected. The bucks that reacted first--when the person was farthest away--were the youngest bucks. Older bucks, and especially mature bucks, held tight. In fact, the most mature bucks held so tight to even the smallest patches of cover that the person walking toward them often had to literally kick the bucks up out of the cover (nearly having to step on the bucks). Interestingly, the person walking towards the buck knew about where the buck was due to his radio signal but often could not visually see the buck until he bolted from underfoot.
Now this study was done in TX brush country. Perhaps deer in other habitat would react differently. But I suspect this behavior is fairly universal. Mature bucks act like rabbits--hold motionless and let danger walk by--while younger, less experienced bucks run at first sign of danger. This mirrors my experiences almost exactly!
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#1818061 - 03/02/10 02:04 PM
Re: Run or hide....?
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whistlinwingman
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While in school at UT, we went and did a quail census at Ames (in 1997). We were never more than 15 foot apart and did not detour anything. We penetrated briars, heavy cover, etc. The thing that stuck out most to me was the fact that the biggest bucks let us get closest. Like BSK said in the survey he was referring to, we literealy had to "kick the bucks up" out of the cover. One side note is that we found four or five skulls with horns cut off. Don't know why I threw this in there. It just surprised me we found that many.
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#1818179 - 03/02/10 03:15 PM
Re: Run or hide....?
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westtntoms
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It's funny, I hunt in an area with a lot of "house" dogs and one guy that borders my property has a big pack of rabbit dogs. I've watched deer hide while the rabbit dogs ran within feet of them while running a rabbit. Or, I've seen them walk out of cover just minutes after the rabbit dogs ran rampant is same area. They are smart indeed!
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#1818202 - 03/02/10 03:47 PM
Re: Run or hide....?
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I remembered something I saw a few years ago.
I was bow hunhting in LBL and the set up was near a road but I was watching one of several trails facing away from the road, Ruger and Delta Boy knows where I'm talking about. From my stand I could see the road ant the large cut field on the other side of it.
That morning before I was due to come down I just happened to look into that field and saw a good size buck come out of the cover into the cut part, he must have been 200 yards away. He stoped and looked back then with his head held low to the ground he walked off the side into some knee high grass and laid down than stayed motionless. Less than a minute later two hunters came out of the cover close to where the buck came out of. They were talking to each other and walked right by where that buck was passing him within 15 feet and they never knew he was there. I came down and went to my truck, their truck was parked next to mine and I waited on them. I told them the story and neither would beleive me. That day on my way home I bought my frist throw away camera so I could take pictures the next time I saw something like that.
I've seen mature bucks hiding inside the high grass around a phone pole, you all know what I'm talking about but most people would never beleive mature bucks would ever try to hide in them.
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#1818442 - 03/02/10 06:20 PM
Re: Run or hide....?
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tickweed
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I firmly believe older mature deer with more wits about them will let you pass,if given the chance.Had a friend who was walking out one day,and was walking around a huge blown over tree ,and noticed tines sticking just above the trunk.He slipped around the end,and the deer,a mature 4 1/2 year old 10 pt. was lying flat with his head stretched out against the ground.He was ten yards,and thought the deer had died ,but saw him slightly move,and then he took him.No doubt,the old boy was caught,and would never been seen,except for his tines.I'm sure we"ve all walked right by them.
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#1818578 - 03/02/10 07:15 PM
Re: Run or hide....?
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JCDEERMAN
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I will always remember the story my dad told me about how he was sitting in his stand, watching 3 or 4 deer in front of him. Meanwhile, he saw his brother walking from far away to come and meet him at the base of his tree. He was just waiting for the deer to bolt, but to his suprise, the deer saw my uncle and just laid down and put their heads on the ground. My uncle walked withing 10 feet from the deer and on to my dads tree. He asked my dad if he had seen anything, and my dad told him that he just about stepped on some deer. My uncle wouldnt believe him until my dad told where to look and he couldnt believe it. - BTW, this whole time, the deer were 40 yards away from them during this whole conversation.
I cant tell you how many times I have jumped deer that I have about stepped on in the dark. I normally dont use a light. 2 years ago, I did literally about step on some. I jumped 2 deer on the way in and I heard him stop about 5 yards from me. I got my little green streamlight out and turned it on him and all I could see was a HUGE body and the outline of a rack. He was facing away from me. It looked like he started turning towards me, so I got my gun up . I eased off to my stand and got up hoping he would stick around until light, but of course he didnt
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#1819162 - 03/02/10 10:19 PM
Re: Run or hide....?
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RKenney
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A still deer, in even minimal cover, is extremely hard to see, even if you know he is there. I watched a small 6 pointer bed down about 40 yards from my stand a few years ago. It was in fairly open woods, but everytime I looked back to check on him I had a hard time finding him. Several time I would think he left while I was watching in other directions, but I would finally see a black nose or see a ear flick.
Totally amazing.
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#1819373 - 03/03/10 05:47 AM
Re: Run or hide....?
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Mike Belt
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Something I sometimes do while on stand when deer come in and I know I'm not going to shoot any of them....I look away and then turn back around looking at the deer again. Often times, knowing exactly where the deer were before I looked away, I still have to search for them to see them again. They blend into their surroundings and when motionless are hard to pick out even then.
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#1819467 - 03/03/10 07:47 AM
Re: Run or hide....?
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BSK
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A still deer, in even minimal cover, is extremely hard to see, even if you know he is there. I watched a small 6 pointer bed down about 40 yards from my stand a few years ago. It was in fairly open woods, but everytime I looked back to check on him I had a hard time finding him. Several time I would think he left while I was watching in other directions, but I would finally see a black nose or see a ear flick.
Totally amazing.
Something I sometimes do while on stand when deer come in and I know I'm not going to shoot any of them....I look away and then turn back around looking at the deer again. Often times, knowing exactly where the deer were before I looked away, I still have to search for them to see them again. They blend into their surroundings and when motionless are hard to pick out even then.
Although it wouldn't seem like it, the "counter shading" pattern of deer (dark back and white belly) works amazingly well. It is one of the most common forms of animal camouflage found in Nature.
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