#1810435 - 02/26/10 09:11 AM
Re: How many hunters actually kill 3 bucks?
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It just seems if the percentage of hunters who actually kill 3 bucks is under say 10% then it would seem to me that going from 3 to 2 wouldn't make much of a difference for either side of the argument. Many more factors come into play here than just the harvest #s. Hunter's mentalities are impacted by limits. Alot shoot the first two and then wait for a biggun. Some dont want to tag out because it ends their buck hunting. The impact of a lower limit is debatable but it would be greater than what the current harvest #s reflect. This is the factor which effects things IMO and there is no way to really know the answer to it as well. Unit B was a pretty good indicator of what the limits can do. The number of hunters that killed 2 bucks in unit B increased around 77% when the limit went from 2 to 3.
I don't think the limit would have been raised if there was not an increase in the number of deer.
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#1810442 - 02/26/10 09:14 AM
Re: How many hunters actually kill 3 bucks?
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It just seems if the percentage of hunters who actually kill 3 bucks is under say 10% then it would seem to me that going from 3 to 2 wouldn't make much of a difference for either side of the argument. Many more factors come into play here than just the harvest #s. Hunter's mentalities are impacted by limits. Alot shoot the first two and then wait for a biggun. Some dont want to tag out because it ends their buck hunting. The impact of a lower limit is debatable but it would be greater than what the current harvest #s reflect. This is the factor which effects things IMO and there is no way to really know the answer to it as well. Unit B was a pretty good indicator of what the limits can do. The number of hunters that killed 2 bucks in unit B increased around 77% when the limit went from 2 to 3. Was that because they raised the limit or because there were more deer in unit B to hunt? I don't think the limit would have been raised if there was not an increase in the number of deer.
If there where more deer then it should have been moved to unit A. Thats why we have different units.
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#1810448 - 02/26/10 09:17 AM
Re: How many hunters actually kill 3 bucks?
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It just seems if the percentage of hunters who actually kill 3 bucks is under say 10% then it would seem to me that going from 3 to 2 wouldn't make much of a difference for either side of the argument. Many more factors come into play here than just the harvest #s. Hunter's mentalities are impacted by limits. Alot shoot the first two and then wait for a biggun. Some dont want to tag out because it ends their buck hunting. The impact of a lower limit is debatable but it would be greater than what the current harvest #s reflect. This is the factor which effects things IMO and there is no way to really know the answer to it as well. Unit B was a pretty good indicator of what the limits can do. The number of hunters that killed 2 bucks in unit B increased around 77% when the limit went from 2 to 3. Was that because they raised the limit or because there were more deer in unit B to hunt? I don't think the limit would have been raised if there was not an increase in the number of deer. If there where more deer then it should have been moved to unit A. Thats why we have different units.
Edited by Beekeeper (02/26/10 10:24 AM)
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#1810463 - 02/26/10 09:24 AM
Re: How many hunters actually kill 3 bucks?
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3 times in the past 6 seasons. out of those 3 years all bucks were at least 3.5 years old.
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#1810538 - 02/26/10 10:18 AM
Re: How many hunters actually kill 3 bucks?
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I see what you are saying but for me without numbers to back up where you say "Alot shoot the first two and then wait for a biggun" is just hard for me to believe since most never get the third buck anyways. Going to a 2 buck limit I would say for a few years the number of hunters that kill 2 would increase and in turn I question not truely achieving the goal of why some want a 2 buck limit.
One of the arguments people make for keeping the limit 3 is because they want to kill 2 and have a 3rd tag for a better buck. The percentage increase from unit B has been given. What other proof do you need. If you want to use only actual harvest numbers then I can say far more want the limit lowered than the 1.3% that actually kill 3. Keeping a law that only benefits 1.3% of the hunters doesn't make sense when you look at it that way. What makes you believe the number harvesting 2 would increase under a 2 buck limit?
The mentality of some hunters is that they fell the need to achieve a limit. With 3 buck limit you have the tags to pass on alot more bucks and in turn actually limiting the chance of harvesting a 3rd buck. Yes they do have the oppurtunity of killing their 3 buck if they choose. What I'm saying is that if it went to 2 those that only kill one would now have an achievable goal of limiting out on a second buck.
I know it sounds like I'm in favor of the 3 buck limit and I am truely not. I liked the 2+1 system better than the 3 any weapon that we have now and would like to see a buck limit but not sure if it would change much of anything in the actual numbers unless it went to a 1 buck limit that will probably never happen in Tennessee.
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#1810543 - 02/26/10 10:22 AM
Re: How many hunters actually kill 3 bucks?
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It just seems if the percentage of hunters who actually kill 3 bucks is under say 10% then it would seem to me that going from 3 to 2 wouldn't make much of a difference for either side of the argument. Many more factors come into play here than just the harvest #s. Hunter's mentalities are impacted by limits. Alot shoot the first two and then wait for a biggun. Some dont want to tag out because it ends their buck hunting. The impact of a lower limit is debatable but it would be greater than what the current harvest #s reflect. This is the factor which effects things IMO and there is no way to really know the answer to it as well. Unit B was a pretty good indicator of what the limits can do. The number of hunters that killed 2 bucks in unit B increased around 77% when the limit went from 2 to 3. The point I am trying to make is that so few hunters kill their 3 buck limit that going to a 2 buck limit will only affect a very small amount of hunters who are now taking advantage of the 3 buck limit. And on the flip side leaving it at 3 I don't think will hurt unless there is a substantial amount increase of hunters who harvest 3 bucks. The point I'm trying to make is when the limit is 2, less hunters kill 2 than they do when the limit is 3. Again Unit B was a pretty good indicator of what the limits can do. The number of hunters that killed 2 bucks in unit B increased around 77% when the limit went from 2 to 3.
I don't think that 1 year of the changes in unit B is a good indicator of what this discussion is about. I would say that over time those numbers wil fall and level off.
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#1810556 - 02/26/10 10:28 AM
Re: How many hunters actually kill 3 bucks?
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I do kill three bucks a year and about 25 does,My job allows me to hunt 4 days a week and in the mornings after work if I could go on 5 hours sleep.2 Bucks is ok for you guys who talk about hunting and dream of going hunting,but when you hunt like I do you get alot of chances to kill good deer and it would cut my season in half.If you dont kill does ,you should not be able to voice any opinion on anything.If the population keeps going up the insurance companys will want a year long no limit on whitetails in Tennessee and then what.
If your killing 28 deer in a season one less buck is not going to hurt your season.
I haven't taken a buck in the past two years due to the fact that we are trying to let the bucks age a year or two more. And have only harvested does the last few years.
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#1810560 - 02/26/10 10:31 AM
Re: How many hunters actually kill 3 bucks?
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We can argue endlessly about what hunters might be thinking and what actions they might take. But all we can really know is what has happened. What has happened when we went to a straight 3 buck limit is that hunters didn't slaughter young bucks, which is the primary concern of the "low buck limit" advocates. In fact, young buck kills fell to numbers we haven't seen in a decade.
Now personally I would be just fine with a 2 buck limit, simply out of principle, but we can't say that a 2 buck limit would improve the buck age structure (reduce young buck kills or even total buck kills). Obviously there is more to hunters' actions than just the numeric buck limit.
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