#1810590 - 02/26/10 10:48 AM
Re: Mature bucks, tactics and extreme measures?
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I have friends that hunt just as hard as I do in and around good sign, pretty quality places. I have seen their set ups and there perfect. But for some reason they can't seem to see any quality bucks year in and year out. Thats what I mean by luck...some have it and some don't. i know some guys like that they are just as skillful as anyone i know but just can't get but one good one every now and then and i think it's because there are only 1 or 2 bigguns running around where they hunt instead of 4 or 5 JMO There are those on this site that through good hunting techniques/set-ups will have the opportunity to kill every 3 1/2+ year-old buck they get on camera. Again, that isn't luck. It's hunting skill/knowledge. I just wish I were one of those hunters! 
You are in a slump BSK. Things will turn around. You know more about deer than anyone on here more than likely. I do believe alot of the stuff you know is clouding your mind when hunting. Step back and think about it. All the data in the world will not help you if you let it distract you from your goal, which is killing a mature buck.
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#1810595 - 02/26/10 10:51 AM
Re: Mature bucks, tactics and extreme measures?
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I take hunting to extremes. I'm also kind of weird about several other things too...In spots that I have pics of shooter bucks I will not shoot does there (or any other lesser deer for that matter). I hunt other spots to harvest does. Your thoughts?
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#1810596 - 02/26/10 10:52 AM
Re: Mature bucks, tactics and extreme measures?
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Lee Creek22
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I agree.
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#1810621 - 02/26/10 11:23 AM
Re: Mature bucks, tactics and extreme measures?
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I take hunting to extremes. I'm also kind of weird about several other things too...In spots that I have pics of shooter bucks I will not shoot does there (or any other lesser deer for that matter). I hunt other spots to harvest does. Your thoughts?
That's reasonable. I certainly have specific stands/set-ups that are specifically focused on mature bucks, and I'll only hunt them when conditions ae perfect, and I doubt I would kill a doe from those stands; partly because of the fear of "ruining" the spot--human activity in getting the doe out--but also because of the difficulty of getting a deer out of some of those stand locations (very rugged and remote). Basically, if I'm going to take the trouble to get a deer out of one of those locations, it better be something special!
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#1810645 - 02/26/10 11:30 AM
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mathews338
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I have friends that hunt just as hard as I do in and around good sign, pretty quality places. I have seen their set ups and there perfect. But for some reason they can't seem to see any quality bucks year in and year out. Thats what I mean by luck...some have it and some don't. i know some guys like that they are just as skillful as anyone i know but just can't get but one good one every now and then and i think it's because there are only 1 or 2 bigguns running around where they hunt instead of 4 or 5 JMO There are those on this site that through good hunting techniques/set-ups will have the opportunity to kill every 3 1/2+ year-old buck they get on camera. Again, that isn't luck. It's hunting skill/knowledge. I just wish I were one of those hunters!
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#1810667 - 02/26/10 11:37 AM
Re: Mature bucks, tactics and extreme measures?
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mathews338,
You certainly can't kill what isn't there, but a lot depends on what would be considered "huntable numbers." If a good trail-camera survey only picks up 1 or 2 mature bucks and then only a picture or two during the peak of the rut (transient mature bucks only during the rut), I would NOT consider that "huntable" numbers. However, as soon as a property has one 1 or 2 resident mature bucks that are photographed regularly from summer onwards, that's huntable numbers.
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#1810671 - 02/26/10 11:41 AM
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mathews338
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mathews338,
You certainly can't kill what isn't there, but a lot depends on what would be considered "huntable numbers." If a good trail-camera survey only picks up 1 or 2 mature bucks and then only a picture or two during the peak of the rut, I wouldn't consider that "huntable" numbers. However, as soon as a property has one 1 or 2 resident mature bucks that are photographed regularly from summer onwards, that's huntable numbers.
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#1810674 - 02/26/10 11:48 AM
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There are those on this site that through good hunting techniques/set-ups will have the opportunity to kill every 3 1/2+ year-old buck they get on camera. Again, that isn't luck. It's hunting skill/knowledge. I just wish I were one of those hunters! You are in a slump BSK. Things will turn around. You know more about deer than anyone on here more than likely. I do believe alot of the stuff you know is clouding your mind when hunting. Step back and think about it. All the data in the world will not help you if you let it distract you from your goal, which is killing a mature buck.
I'm just whining because I've had two bad years in a row. I'm still running pretty close to a 60% annual success rate on mature bucks. basically I'll kill a mature buck in 3 out of every 5 years. I just hit my two "off" years back to back! And we're still averaging having the opportunity to kill around 50% of the mature bucks we get on camera each year, although this year was a low point (1 out of 3).
But part of my problem is I'm no longer "ate up" with hunting mature bucks. I seem to be far more "ate up" with monitoring the herd than actually hunting it. These days I think I get more pleasure from running trail-cams than I do hunting.
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#1810682 - 02/26/10 12:00 PM
Re: Mature bucks, tactics and extreme measures?
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There are those on this site that through good hunting techniques/set-ups will have the opportunity to kill every 3 1/2+ year-old buck they get on camera. Again, that isn't luck. It's hunting skill/knowledge. I just wish I were one of those hunters! You are in a slump BSK. Things will turn around. You know more about deer than anyone on here more than likely. I do believe alot of the stuff you know is clouding your mind when hunting. Step back and think about it. All the data in the world will not help you if you let it distract you from your goal, which is killing a mature buck. But part of my problem is I'm no longer "ate up" with hunting mature bucks. I seem to be far more "ate up" with monitoring the herd than actually hunting it. These days I think I get more pleasure from running trail-cams than I do hunting.
There is nothing wrong with that! A change in interst keeps it fresh and exciting. By the way, I am still "ate up" with hunting them, so You monitor them and I will come hunt them! Deal? 
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#1810840 - 02/26/10 01:49 PM
Re: Mature bucks, tactics and extreme measures?
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There are those on this site that through good hunting techniques/set-ups will have the opportunity to kill every 3 1/2+ year-old buck they get on camera. Again, that isn't luck. It's hunting skill/knowledge. I just wish I were one of those hunters! You are in a slump BSK. Things will turn around. You know more about deer than anyone on here more than likely. I do believe alot of the stuff you know is clouding your mind when hunting. Step back and think about it. All the data in the world will not help you if you let it distract you from your goal, which is killing a mature buck. I'm just whining because I've had two bad years in a row. I'm still running pretty close to a 60% annual success rate on mature bucks. basically I'll kill a mature buck in 3 out of every 5 years. I just hit my two "off" years back to back! And we're still averaging having the opportunity to kill around 50% of the mature bucks we get on camera each year, although this year was a low point (1 out of 3). But part of my problem is I'm no longer "ate up" with hunting mature bucks. I seem to be far more "ate up" with monitoring the herd than actually hunting it. These days I think I get more pleasure from running trail-cams than I do hunting.
Is there a new bug out there....  Bowriter, now bsk what the heck...Just go hunt and enjoy...BW doesn't want to hunt anymore bsk wants to run trail camera's...  Don't forget your passion...LOL!!!
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